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Revision of module fitting rules for Alliance Tournament X

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michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-06-10 00:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: michael boltonIII
Time Funnel wrote:
:zing:

Oh TEST. Why do we bicker so. We are all on the same team yo. Well not the alliance tournament team... Sigh, why is there war? Why do people fight?

Your Tengu fit isn't bad, then I realized it has an afterburner. Yes, it doesn't really have to go anywhere, but if it did it would be so useful in other compositions. Full points for your Golem.


No idea, you came out of nowhere accusing me of torpedo'ing test out of spite by revealing setups that are already banned. Other than that, picking on Joe is pretty easy.

As for the rule, the round of 32 is the group stages, not the "qualify round". In almost all tournament brackets for various sports the terms "pre-qualifier" and "qualifier" are used as synonyms with qualifier serving as an abbreviation. It's a pre-qualifier because it occurs before the even that it qualifies you for, not because it "qualifies you to potentially qualify at a later time".
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#22 - 2012-06-10 00:53:47 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
Time Funnel wrote:
:zing:

Oh TEST. Why do we bicker so. We are all on the same team yo. Well not the alliance tournament team... Sigh, why is there war? Why do people fight?

Your Tengu fit isn't bad, then I realized it has an afterburner. Yes, it doesn't really have to go anywhere, but if it did it would be so useful in other compositions. Full points for your Golem.


No idea, you came out of nowhere accusing me of torpedo'ing test out of spite by revealing setups that are already banned. Other than that, picking on Joe is pretty easy.

As for the rule, the round of 32 is the group stages, not the "qualify round". In almost all tournament brackets for various sports the terms "pre-qualifier" and "qualifier" are used as synonyms with qualifier serving as an abbreviation. It's a pre-qualifier because it occurs before the even that it qualifies you for, not because it "qualifies you to potentially qualify at a later time".


Well the rule change did torpedo 2 of our setups. Not blaming "you" for that. Using 3 is pretty imbalanced, that is why we were going that direction. It was my attempt at humor. Not funny, I know.

My whole point is that some people are convinced that they are allowed in the first 2 matches. Some people are convinced they are not. Can we get some clear rules and move on?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#23 - 2012-06-10 01:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
The OP and the rules specifically state that they are allowed for sure in the first two weekends.
(as long as you only fit one per ship)
People who are convinced they are not allowed just stopped reading before they got to that part I guess ?
and yeah the third weekend or group 32 (third) weekend is not the qualifying rounds, it's the group stage

CCP refer to the qualifiers as pre-qualifiers and qualifiers interchangeably (both of these terms refer to the first two weekends)
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#24 - 2012-06-10 02:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Time Funnel
The rules are not clear.

Here is me being a ****.

Edit: erasing me being a ****.

But seriously, am I really the only one who finds these rules confusing? I re-read them several times and still cannot figure out what they mean, or even the intent of the writer.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#25 - 2012-06-10 04:55:37 UTC
They're definitely not perfect, but if you read them closely then they're quite clear in my opinion.
CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2012-06-10 11:51:59 UTC
Ok to clear this up.

  • The Ancillary Shield Boost module will be restricted to one module per ship for those pilots who wish to fit them.

That is the rule change here, all of the other new modules are still free to use like any other module unless specifically mentioned in the rules as found here. We will continue to monitor all setups, but especially the new modules as obviously they haven't been in the tournament before, if we see something that needs to be fixed during the qualifying rounds (the qualifying rounds being the first time we see new modules in tournament combat) we will take action.

Video Producer & Director of EVE TV
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-10 16:43:44 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Ok to clear this up.

  • The Ancillary Shield Boost module will be restricted to one module per ship for those pilots who wish to fit them.

That is the rule change here, all of the other new modules are still free to use like any other module unless specifically mentioned in the rules as found here. We will continue to monitor all setups, but especially the new modules as obviously they haven't been in the tournament before, if we see something that needs to be fixed during the qualifying rounds (the qualifying rounds being the first time we see new modules in tournament combat) we will take action.



kk thanks for clearing it up.
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#28 - 2012-06-11 03:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Time Funnel
Well I am glad that everyone seems happy. Michael Bolton III and Tyrax have both weighed in with their verdict. I have been around EVE long enough to know that their ->opinions<- will not be "valid" when someone shows up with an ASB. Or someone protests someone showing up with an ASB.

No ruling from CCP. They just point back to a rule which forbids Ancillary Shield Boosters during the qualifying rounds. There are no qualifying rounds in the tournament. There are pre-qualifying rounds, group rounds, and finals according to their rules.

But whatever.

All I wanted is an answer from CCP if Ancillary Shield Boosters are allowed in the pre-qualifying rounds. That is all. Is that too much to ask?

I give up.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-11 05:24:36 UTC
I thought you had been in Test long enough to realize that my opinion is pretty much law. If someone gets pissy for you fitting a single ASB in the pre-lims I will mock them till they comply.

I have never in all my years of sports and watching various competitions heard of a pre-qualifier followed by a qualifier followed by the actual event. You don't enter a pre-qualifier to qualify for the qualifier, the two words are synonyms. Just like if you were looking for a job and they asked for certain prequalifications, you wouldn't send them a list with all the events that would eventually lead to you knowing how to do the things that you are qualified to do, you'd send them your list of qualifications.
Intigo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-11 09:48:52 UTC
So much EVE knowledge being dispensed by high-skill EVE commentator MIB3 ITT.

hydra provail
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-06-11 11:08:10 UTC
Intigo wrote:
So much EVE knowledge being dispensed by high-skill EVE commentator MIB3 ITT.




Don't make me have to defend MB3 now... I really don't want to, but he was right in this case.


Also, is there an official Hydra rep? If so I wouldn't mind you guys starting a thread asking for pledges of the winner of ATX to fight you guys for an ah... show match or some crap.
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2012-06-11 12:44:11 UTC
Time Funnel wrote:
The rules are not clear.

Here is me being a ****.

Edit: erasing me being a ****.

But seriously, am I really the only one who finds these rules confusing? I re-read them several times and still cannot figure out what they mean, or even the intent of the writer.


How is this unclear?

"• The Ancillary Shield Boost module will be restricted to one module per ship for those pilots who wish to fit them."
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#33 - 2012-06-11 13:30:27 UTC
The rule about one ancillary is fine.

I was talking about the rule above it, rule #10.

New modules, with the exception of the Ancillary Shield Boost, introduced with Inferno will be valid during the qualifying rounds.
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-11 13:42:17 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Time Funnel wrote:
The rules are not clear.

Here is me being a ****.

Edit: erasing me being a ****.

But seriously, am I really the only one who finds these rules confusing? I re-read them several times and still cannot figure out what they mean, or even the intent of the writer.


How is this unclear?

"• The Ancillary Shield Boost module will be restricted to one module per ship for those pilots who wish to fit them."




It's fine now Soundwave, but yeah rule #10 was a bit convoluted. And in isolation it seemed like it was making an exception for the ASB, without explicitly stating that the exception was that you can still fit one, rather than an unlimited amount. And it seemed to be a preliminary only exception, so some of us thought that it was you can't fit any in the qualifying rounds, and then in the 32 team rounds and unwards you can fit only one.


Loxy cleared it up, and heck even MB3 did as well, stating that you can fit one ASB in all rounds, including the qualifying rounds. So it's clear now, but on Friday it was a bit confusing.
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#35 - 2012-06-11 14:22:51 UTC
Man, **** that Friday Cry
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#36 - 2012-06-20 13:46:42 UTC
You are alway entitled to a complaint thread after you get banned due to a vague rule.
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#37 - 2012-06-30 17:45:51 UTC
Speaking of ********: How about only having 6 ship teams for prequals and allowing 1/3 of those ships to be t2 ecm boats.

so tired of ecm in ATs, boring. brawler fests best tournies.
Osant
Monks of War
#38 - 2012-07-11 10:59:33 UTC
Okay, qualifyings are over and we're waiting for CCP decision about usage of Ancillary Shield Booster for group stages. Will it be banned or not (with current restriction as one module per ship)? CCP Loxy? Big smile
Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#39 - 2012-07-12 14:51:40 UTC
Possum's Awesome wrote:
Speaking of ********: How about only having 6 ship teams for prequals and allowing 1/3 of those ships to be t2 ecm boats.

so tired of ecm in ATs, boring. brawler fests best tournies.


In 6 person team all boats can be a t2 ecm boats.

In a 12 person team, all boats can be ecm boats mix t1 and t2.

If you want to know why it's not done, see how well ECM does in matches.
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