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Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-06-08 15:54:40 UTC
You do realize that there are low-sec corps who're only in low-sec for the sake of better Anomalies, slightly better PI and asteroids, standing-free moons and better mission-rewards, right? Living in low-sec doesn't mean you have to PVP. It's just an advantage to know how to handle PvP.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-06-08 16:13:31 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:


OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.


Translation: I indeed affirm and swear I cannot cut it in nullsec.

I bet you used to do vanguards.

well. you are too close-minded....

Currently to settle in 0.0 you need to beat strong rich and powerful alliances already living in it. That's why you see the same political picture in 0.0 for years.

If you reset 0.0 (remove all current alliances and "great pvp-minded people" from 0.0) you will have empty space. Then people from empire will need to spend a lot less effort to settle in 0.0. There will be like in very begin of Eve: you just get your Iteron and go there. Fly 10-20 jumps and noone will even notice you are living there.

I guess first months people will not fight anymore: what is the reason to fight if you have huge empty space to settle?

Then people will grow up and build alliances. And everything will repeat: wars, blobs, 0.0 boredom.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#183 - 2012-06-08 17:18:58 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

Then all is a lie and this game is as linear as any other. Time to abandon all illusions of choice, limited as they were and abandon ship then?


Nullsec is the purest part of the EVE sandbox.


What did you say? I couldn't hear you over the sound of you thumping your own chest. Roll

masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.


A lot of the shiny VG fleets were made up of null-bear alts.

Also the most common reasons why people leave null-sec is NOT because it's hard (because it really isn't), but because they are fed up with the drama and the boredom.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#184 - 2012-06-08 17:21:33 UTC
The goal shouldn't be getting people into low/null. The goal should be getting people to do stuff as a group. Those that are drawn to nullsec for the opportunities will make the effort...if they have a group to work with.

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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#185 - 2012-06-08 17:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
The goal shouldn't be getting people into low/null. The goal should be getting people to do stuff as a group. Those that are drawn to nullsec for the opportunities will make the effort...if they have a group to work with.

Getting spergy soloists to group up would take a huge influx of ISK into high-sec by way of some new content that Eve didn't need and which violently upheaves the overall economy by giving a very narrow band of high-sec players a fantastic amount of ISK. Make the payouts competitive so only the best performing fleets get payouts and presto! Group activity with the spergs!

Oh wait. They did that and it broke Eve.

I wonder if they put pictures of women (or men?) in lingerie in the main fleet chat if that might work as an alternative incentive!
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-06-08 17:38:08 UTC
another you have to play it my way thread

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Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#187 - 2012-06-08 17:41:07 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect.Big smile


No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof.


Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it.


Um yes it would if EVE is a sandbox like you claim, more PVE content would not change that but hey your an idiot that thinks less people is more fun. Sorry, your wrong. More PVE content, equal more subs, equal more targets to blow up, which means more tears.
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#188 - 2012-06-08 17:43:22 UTC
Posting in a "Everyone should go to Null" thread

Confirming that I only want to go to Null to joyride.

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Chief Bob
Swine Capitalism
#189 - 2012-06-08 18:17:25 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:

If all the people in null-sec left, others would move in and take their place. The game is not all about null-sec. Never has been. It is because of this fact that a few. like yourself that whine and moan about the rest of the game, that the rest of the game is constantly being shelved to address a small percentage of players. There are more people playing than just you - remember that....many, many, many, more.


We've seen your hi sec community in action with the recent incursion nerf.

"We're a vital and relevant roleplaying community CCP and the bonds we've forged will endure through time"

--1 nerf later--

"ISK/hr for incursion not good enough I'm gonna solo level 4s again"

Yep. You guys totally have the drive, determination, and skill it takes to build a nullsec empire. You only complain about it because nullsec is too hard for you because it would require you to form real connections with other people and actually fight for something.


OMG - null-sec is for a few people that live eat and breath EVE. That is the truth of the matter. There are far more pople that play this game on a more casual basis. They are not interested in holding territories. They just want to play a sci-fi game. EVE is one of the only really decent sci-fi games out right now. If another triple AAA - good sci-fi game - was on the market - that had the same sandbox qualites - EVE would die.

this ^^

I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way.

Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life.

When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying.

That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2012-06-08 18:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Chief Bob wrote:
this ^^

I've got no interest in sitting at my computer, playing EVE for 40 hours a week. And, I imagine that the vast majority of players here are the same way.

Also, it is a GAME!! "Actually fight for something" really? And, all my real connections are formed in real life.

When you start making those kind of statements, its time to take a very long break. If you had a job that you took that seriously, you'd probably be making a great income... just saying.

That guy is the reason I'll never have an interest in null-sec... sheesh.


No, this is totally not a game about space combat in the very distant future where players build empires.

It's Hello Kitty online and when you play, regardless of the time you put in, you shouldn't be fighting for anything, ever.

I hear Hello Kitty online is releasing a Hulk with more EHP and the old Titan DD.

Get it while it's hot?

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson
Chief Bob
Swine Capitalism
#191 - 2012-06-08 18:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Disregard That wrote:
No, this is totally not a game about space combat in the very distant future where players build empires.

It's Hello Kitty online and when you play, regardless of the time you put in, you shouldn't be fighting for anything, ever.

I hear Hello Kitty online is releasing a Hulk with more EHP and the old Titan DD.

Get it while it's hot?


Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox.

That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is.

I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson
Mira Robinson
#192 - 2012-06-08 18:40:36 UTC
Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE.

That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2012-06-08 18:44:53 UTC
Chief Bob wrote:
Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox.

That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is.

I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null.

Dolt, huh?

Well, since I'm obviously so foolish it would be silly for me to point out all the casual gamers who successfully play the game in null-sec.

You don't belong in null because you decided you don't belong in null.

Your "reasoning" is an excuse or a justification, nothing more.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#194 - 2012-06-08 18:50:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Wouldn't be a big loss.


SOE and Lucasarts said the same thing about SWG.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson
Mira Robinson
#195 - 2012-06-08 19:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
baltec1 wrote:
SOE and Lucasarts said the same thing about SWG.


If EVE dies, it will be a slow death, just like SWG, which went on for 5 years after the NGE. TOR was the final nail in the coffin.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#196 - 2012-06-08 19:07:03 UTC
Mira Robinson wrote:
Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE.

That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR.


TOR and EVE are both science fiction games, but you couldn't get more competing gameplay philosophies than CPP and BioWare, I imagine. TOR wanted WoW subs, not EVE subs. Heck, you can only fly your space ship in an on-rails mini-game.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-06-08 19:09:48 UTC
Mira Robinson wrote:


If EVE dies, it will be a slow death, just like SWG, which went on for 5 years after the NGE. TOR was the final nail in the coffin.


According to the EvE playerbase ,this game has a lot of final nails

R.S.I2014
Mira Robinson
#198 - 2012-06-08 19:16:05 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Mira Robinson wrote:
Once upon a time (eleven months ago) I thought TOR would put a dent in EVE.

That is obviously not the case. Incarna put the biggest dent in subs since pre-2008, and we've been steady since then. But yes, part of EVE's success and niche is that there is no other decent sci-fi sandbox. STO wasn't impactful at all, there's absolutely no sandbox in TOR.


TOR and EVE are both science fiction games, but you couldn't get more competing gameplay philosophies than CPP and BioWare, I imagine. TOR wanted WoW subs, not EVE subs. Heck, you can only fly your space ship in an on-rails mini-game.

True. Gameplay is dramatically different, but so is STO. I remember, the week before STO released, I got a resub offer email from CCP. I was expecting the same thing before TOR. Can't remember if I got one. I was on hiatus from June of 2011 to June of 2012.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#199 - 2012-06-08 19:21:00 UTC
High sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here].

Low sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here].

Null sec is for [insert my preferred playstyle here].

If any of you disagree with that then you're all f***ed and should GTFO! You're playing EvE wrong! Roll

Seriously people, EvE is what you make it.

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Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#200 - 2012-06-08 19:33:58 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.


This is unacceptable.
We obviously aren't trying hard enough to force them into lo sec.

Time to step up the ganking. They resist, but once they lose some hulks and are forced down they'll enjoy the game.



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