EVE General Discussion

You provide the out for your argument in the beginning of your statement. "If a player is scanning for you..." My presence in space constitutes nothing save that I am in space. It is up to someone else to make this a competitive activity if I have not done so myself. And yes, they can. This does not always mean they will or do. If and when they do so you are competing. Not sure what you are referring to as hiding in a mission though. Last I checked being in one offered no immunity from being scanned or added difficulty for the scanner.

I was refering to the one on that outside forum. I've recieved some really strange **** the past few years & treasured all of it.

Sure I will.

Tyberius says they aren't necessarily scanning. I say they can at any time.

Therefore, he isn't really hiding from any PVP. Therefore, since he can be subjected to it at any time, he's PVP'ing while he PVE's. It's that simple. He's PVP'ing in the same way that a cloaky alt PVP's in null without firing a shot.

But he's still PVP'ing.

If he refuses to accept that then he is denying a fundamental tenet of "Open-world Sandbox PVP."

Mission running is also economic PVP, but that's another matter entirely.

EDIT: But Tyberius is dead-on right. It's moot. People basically can't or won't play in such an isolated fashion as to remove themselves from the possibility of PVP.

Perhaps I still have brain damage from being in local with goons during the BoB wars and seeing the verbal onslaught that was local chat.

Only thing this survey shows is that CCP just isn't trying hard enough to nerf hisec and force players into low / null alliances.

At least that's how they'll interpret it.

We can surely hope!

CAN isn't the same as ARE. This isn't about hiding. Not sure where you keep getting that from. Again, missions offer no protection from someone looking for you.

But they have to be looking for you.

A cloaky alt's presence in null is known and undesired, this leads people to change their behaviors. This has one player affecting another and is thus PvP.

A mission runner who isn't being pursued/scanned isn't PvP'ing because there is no one to PvP with as his resource isn't limited, nor does the quality of it diminish by having others do the same. If he isn't exchanging isk or loot with others to continue mission running and/or increase it's profitability he is not interacting with the population of the game UNTIL someone interacts with him.

By even potentially appearing on scan, according to Werner Heisenberg, the mission runner is interacting with the population of the game.

If it's a known fact that he can be PVP'd at any time. Schrodinger says he's PVP'ing and not PVP'ing simultaneously.

That's good enough for me. That is science.

This guy is a goon guys, but not one of "The goonies"

Beware: we are also among you.

I loved this.