EVE General Discussion

Their is room from everyone that wants to play EvE Online, their is no room for people that wants to play WoW in space.

Who says? You?

You are wrong, their is no room for theme park play style in a sandbox game. It's that simple.

Sorry wrong again, your not speaking for every single EvE online player, some players here disagree with you.


Tal

The PVP part is hard to pin down. Sure, only 25% of people said that PVP is the reason they play EVE, but that is only the people who actively engage in it or seek it out.

That said, PVP impacts far more than 25% of the players.

Yes, some who want nothing to do with it will come on the forums and rage about suiside ganking, gate camps and big 0.0 alliances.

Yet others...often quietly... gain more enjoyment from the game because of PVP even though they do not actively seek it themselves. The danger of PVP, the need to plan ahead, keep an eye on your surroundings and be careful is part of the fun of being an industrialist in a PVP game.

The act of avoiding PVP is a form of PVP in itself. In this case, PVP is more like "Predator vs Prey". For those who enjoy the hunt (even when they are the ones being hunted) this enhances their enjoyment of the game. Likewise, if something was 100% safe, it would very quickly become boring, even though you never suffered any losses while doing it.


For those of you who doubt me, let me suggest this: The next time you need to do a rep grind for an NPC corp, do a few missions in high sec...then find an agent in low sec and do a few more there. I guarantee you'll find the low sec missions more interesting than the high sec ones.... and as a bonus they're more rewarding (In terms of isk/LP)

So long as they're not petitioning CCP to turn EvE into a theme park for everyone, they have the right to play in the sandbox as if they were in a theme park.

The problem is that on the forums we have people petitioning CCP to turn EvE into a theme park for everyone.

The carebear agenda...

And vice versa.

Every sandbox has boundaries and rules.

And EvE's basic boundaries haven't changed in 9 years. So we have people wanting to make it into a theme park and people wanting the game they've played for years to retain its basic premise.

One important thing to note about using the data collected by these kind of surveys is that it is often not a very good spread of a population, and is also very often open to misinterpretation due to the specific phrasing and formatting used in the questions and available answers.

For example this is a survey that was available as an optional link in a newsletter email. You are already narrowing your target demographic to solely those that read newsletters, and those that click and complete on-line surveys for no reward. The personality types of the particular people likely to have performed those actions will have weighted the responses, as they are also very likely predisposed to certain styles of play in Eve.

Is there a correlation of any kind between reading newsletters, actually completing on-line surveys and the amount of time playing MMOs? Or there may be a link between between that behaviour and your likelihood to play an MMO solo, there simply isn't enough data to make any conclusion either way. If you had access to CCP's private records you may be able to make a better analysis, by seeing if there is a deviation between something like the ages of those completing the survey and the player base at large.


You've also just really badly misinterpreted that. The two points are not mutually exclusive, a user could have answered that they began playing Eve because it was a Sci Fi game but not have picked it up if it hadn't involved PvP.

For example I would have answered that I began playing due to the complexity of the game, yet I would not have played it were it not available for Mac. This means, despite my answer, the availability of the game on the Mac platform was just as pivotal. What you are comparing is open ended game concepts that span every faucet of the game with specific elements, that are by their nature less likely to be selected as that specificity narrows the demographic which will answer it to a demographic which will still be able to consider the first option*.

Again you really should not take data like this at face value, it is useful for making an interesting slide show with pie charts but realistically that is all that this kind of a survey will provide you with.

*Thought I'd clear that premise up a little, there is a name for it but I've forgotten it and I can't find it on google:

OPTION 1: Spans every aspect of the game, such as genre.

OPTION 2: Is of interest to 50% of the player base.

If players were asked which of these was more important to them you would have 75% of them who might answer with option one, whereas you would be left with at best only 25% who can answer with option two.

Anyway, sorry for the statistics lecture. I had to do a little bit of analysing large sets of data in one of my previous jobs and I've found it vaguely interesting ever since.