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Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 426
Tor Gungnir Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 426	#1 - 2012-06-07 17:04:39 UTC ... get a bonus to Webifiers? Isn't that mainly a PvP thing? No wonder you rarely see Kronii(?) but you see lots of the other Marauders. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.

Shovel Bros 2,175
mxzf Shovel Bros Likes received: 2,175	#2 - 2012-06-07 17:08:45 UTC Blasters like it when you web a target to a standstill right next to you. Also, the Paladin has the same web bonus and the Vargur is the only Marauder which doesn't have a ewar bonus geared for damage application (Golem has TP instead of web bonus).


Tor Gungnir Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 426	#3 - 2012-06-07 17:11:05 UTC Well, to be fair the Golem couldn't operate without Target Painters anyhow. It is just the Webifier bonuses I can't wrap my head around. Wouldn't a Falloff bonus be much better? Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.

Tide Way Out Productions 3,040
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions Likes received: 3,040	#4 - 2012-06-07 17:15:11 UTC 3 You really can't complain that much about 90% webs. Only eight ships in the game have them. And you really can use them to hit frigates with large blasters (or even rails) if they get close.


Tor Gungnir Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 426	#5 - 2012-06-07 17:22:44 UTC I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.

5,477
Alara IonStorm Likes received: 5,477	#6 - 2012-06-07 17:27:06 UTC Imagine a Paladin that got the 7.5% Range Bonus the Apoc got instead of webs. Sigh.

Pawnstars INC 8
Beef Knuckleback Pawnstars INC Likes received: 8	#7 - 2012-06-07 18:29:29 UTC Tor Gungnir wrote: I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. Believe it or not, webs do have a practical use in PVE. Same as target painters, same as NOS. Now, if it had a bonus to warp scrambling....

Liam Mirren

Likes received: 631

#8 - 2012-06-07 18:40:27 UTC | Edited by: Liam Mirren

Kronos is fine and the web allows you to fit 425 rails that can still nuke upclose targets, makes it a lot easier to deal with them.

[Kronos, lvl 4]
Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

100MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Imperial Navy Heavy Nosferatu
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x3

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

sabre906

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,705

#9 - 2012-06-07 18:53:21 UTC

Liam Mirren wrote:

Yes. You should wait for rats to come into web range, then hit them with rails.


Liam Mirren Likes received: 631	#10 - 2012-06-07 19:11:00 UTC If you fight Serpentis that's generally gonna happen and with that web you're fine doing so meaning you don't have to jump through hoops to avoid it. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

en Welle Shipping Inc. 1,380
Corina Jarr en Welle Shipping Inc. Likes received: 1,380	#11 - 2012-06-07 21:28:27 UTC I can understand it on the Kronos. I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.

Creatively Applied Violence Inc. 132
Exploited Engineer Creatively Applied Violence Inc. Likes received: 132	#12 - 2012-06-07 21:36:44 UTC Corina Jarr wrote: I can understand it on the Kronos. I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target. In that case, the target is just not webbed enough. Hey, Golems need 2-3 TPs.

Liam Mirren

Likes received: 631

#13 - 2012-06-07 23:04:39 UTC

Corina Jarr wrote:

I can understand it on the Kronos.

I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.

Tachs with gleam, tracking comp and web will hit an orbiting omen at 10km for 300, without web you hit for 0. It's not that you plan your strategy for hitting upclose but rather that you become more versatile and can deal with upclose target in case it happens and perhaps you're in trouble tanking wise. Less hassle, more applied dps = faster/safer missions.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Doomheim 1,145
Lin-Young Borovskova Doomheim Likes received: 1,145	#14 - 2012-06-07 23:17:17 UTC Tor Gungnir wrote: I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship. Because it's not a pve ship, people pve with but doesn't mean it's a pve ship. Tengu too was considered as a pve ship until some guys start kicking arses with ^^ brb

sabre906

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,705

#15 - 2012-06-08 00:15:57 UTC

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

Tor Gungnir wrote:

I'm not really complaining as much as I am questioning their reasoning behind putting that bonus on a PvE ship.

Because it's not a pve ship, people pve with but doesn't mean it's a pve ship.

Tengu too was considered as a pve ship until some guys start kicking arses with ^^

100mn ab is a cruiser mod?

According to CCP, marauders actually are pve ships. Can't be bothered to find the post.

FT Diomedes

The Graduates

Likes received: 2,921

#16 - 2012-06-08 00:16:31 UTC

Corina Jarr wrote:

I can understand it on the Kronos.

I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.

You are doing something wrong. With pulse lasers and Imperial Navy MF, the Paladin murders everything within web range. Especially with a nice Federation Navy Stasis Webifier on there.

Webbing also helps your drones hit stuff. Spider drones cry when they get webbed down.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

sabre906

The Scope

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,705

#17 - 2012-06-08 00:21:15 UTC

FT Diomedes wrote:

Corina Jarr wrote:

I can understand it on the Kronos.

I puzzles me on the Paladin though. Lasers don't track well up close even with a webbed target.

Shouldn't they be dead before in pulse MF range?

No Vacancies No Vacancies. 284
Kasutra No Vacancies No Vacancies. Likes received: 284	#18 - 2012-06-08 00:40:31 UTC As OMGAWESOME as a range, RoF or resist bonus would be on the Kronos, I don't really see it happening. And aside from that, I can't think of a bonus that would be nicer/more appropriate to have on the boat than the web bonus (as has been said, 90% webs are really handy, even in PvE). Drone something maybe? That would be very Gallente. Anyway, mostly fine as it is.

FaDoyToy 3,263
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy Likes received: 3,263	#19 - 2012-06-08 00:48:21 UTC they used to be 99% webs.... god I miss my 15km 99% domi web :( and back then I'd just ignore the frigs (and/or let my drones out on em) till they were the last thing and it was easy to instapop them with one shot. now its just fit more tracking comps. @ChainsawPlankto on twitter

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 49
Elsa Nietchize School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 49	#20 - 2012-06-08 01:29:40 UTC I thought the standard kronos fit used 2x Tracking Computers which made the web pretty much useless.