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What would happen if goo-containing moons were shuffled monthly?
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Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-06-07 16:15:05 UTC
Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.

I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.
Nefertiri Ra'apharo
Mabad Ilhba Alasw'd
#42 - 2012-06-07 16:23:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nefertiri Ra'apharo
What I'd like to see is actual System Security be more dynamic. Here's how I'd envision it: 1.0 and .9 stay the same as thats where the noobs start and where sec is highest - like IRL that's where the Police Station is in your town-- almost nobody's gonna do sh!t right in front of a Police Station. All other sec levels are fluid, but they don't change overnight, it takes a while, many months, the level creeps up or down so pilots have a chance to see the trend and either move or stay. Similar to IRL some neighborhoods that get run down and turn into gang neighborhoods, and some that turn around and become swanky posh communities. For story purposes maybe Concord is working to improve some lowsec areas and that pulls some presence away from higher sec areas making that area to slowly lose sec status...maybe some hi sec space will start to evolve in some corner of 0.0 and some area of .8 space will devolve through low sec and into 0.0 sec and slowly back to hi sec again over the course of many months or a year or more....again like IRL where I don't think there's anyplace where the crime rate stays the same for generations on end, it's fluid.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-06-07 16:25:08 UTC
IDK about op's suggestion but SOMETHING needs to be done with moon mining.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Svarek
#44 - 2012-06-07 16:27:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Svarek
Eh, well, tbh if you wanted randomized resources or something, CCP could make mineable rogue planets or comets full of resources that appear randomly in systems but move through them and disappear after a short while (if you want to be scientifically accurate, just make them brush the fringe edge, etc)...

Whoops.
Spurty
#45 - 2012-06-07 16:27:59 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.

I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.


Just so you know what he's getting at here. What you have to do is warp to every moon and do this:

- Uncloak at moon
- launch probe
- Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps)
- repeat.

By the end of warping to *all* moons for *all* planets, you should have no longer than 5 mins to wait on the last result (unless you have terrible survey skills).

Did it not so long ago with my alt.

It's more fun than spinning ships, but only just barely.

Oh and survey probes are lost when launched. So grab a bit stock pile of the buggers (it's ok, they are very cheap).

It's certainly something CCP should not worry about when it comes to "whats" on the drawing board. Look at ICE miners. Ouch! They can't even warp about for 10mins per cycle and all they get is 1 ice!


There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-06-07 16:30:23 UTC
In other words, although you appeal to your experience and authority to try and disprove what I've said, you've got nothing but your posting - which, in the immortal words of everyone who has seen it, "is horrible". You can't actually discuss mechanics, you can't actually poke holes in anyone else's argument: you can merely try to blindly assert experience you can't even back up with intelligent discussion on the subject. If you had any real experience, you'd be able to do so. Instead you merely poorly lie about your experience, so poorly anyone with actual experience can see right through it.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2012-06-07 16:32:02 UTC
Spurty wrote:

- Uncloak at moon
- launch probe
- Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps)
- repeat.

You actually left out a part: you've got to align to the moon. And a not-inconsiderable amount of the time, you miss. You then have to go through your results and figure out what missed.

You then have to actually record all that data, which is in itself a horrible experience.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#48 - 2012-06-07 16:32:08 UTC
Anything is better than the current system... goons are just here to say it is a bad idea because it will screw up their income...

Once a month would be epic lol and good, people who cry about moon scanning... 9000 person alliance? What forgot about the MMO part of this game? Rather than just listening to a FC rage because you have no targets left... you can listen to the FC rage because someone forgot to scan a moon =D

Need to WORK for this isk...
Stu Pendisdick
#49 - 2012-06-07 16:38:30 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
Seriously, go probe out a constellation worth of moons, and come back and tell us how long it took. Now go do a region, or six.

I'll see you in a week, if you're made of stern stuff. A month, if you aren't.


What is it with you goons?

You have the biggest superiority complexes I've ever seen.

A constellation is a mere evening's work.

I did the entire Solitude region from pillar to post in a shade over a week in a Viator, while at war.

Like I said, it was no big deal. I still have the paper notebook I wrote the results in, showing moon goo status as well as any POS structures and defenses.

Just because *YOU* think it is hard, or not worth the effort, or whatever you want, doesn't mean that your opinion is globally applicable.

Or, let e guess.........you are doing it wrong?

Sure, if a fool were to go one probe at a time, using slow-assed Quest probes, it would take the pain, but who is that stupid?

A belly full of Gazes and run from moon to moon, firing as you go, collect the results at the end of the run.

This ain't rocket science, no matter how much you guys try and fool others into thinking that it is.
Stu Pendisdick
#50 - 2012-06-07 16:42:59 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Spurty wrote:

- Uncloak at moon
- launch probe
- Warp to next moon (Perhaps reload in-between warps)
- repeat.

You actually left out a part: you've got to align to the moon. And a not-inconsiderable amount of the time, you miss. You then have to go through your results and figure out what missed.

You then have to actually record all that data, which is in itself a horrible experience.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!!!!!!!

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just tipped your own hand. Authority my ass.

Unless you haven't shot a moon probe since alignment was added, but as such an "authority", you would have known that.

Aligning GUARANTEES the probe shot unless you are so utterly impatient that you can't wait for it to be proper..........

Thanks for showing who the REAL liar is.

Now I really AM done with this guy!

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


"miss", he says....................


BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2012-06-07 16:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
You claim to have used a viator, which - again - is a basic error any moon scanner would have known about. A viator does not have two highslots, so it cannot fit a cloak and a probe launcher. You can only use a prowler if you're trying to use a blockade runner. I mean come on man, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot and everyone's going to catch that.

And yes: you miss. Moon scanning, being a horrible soul-destroying thing, causes you to naturally start trying to speed things up when you're on moon 200. You're going to get impatient, fire off a probe early by mistake, and miss.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-06-07 16:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
lmfao moon probed in a viator

get out with this stupid idea
Stu Pendisdick
#53 - 2012-06-07 16:51:35 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
You claim to have used a viator, which - again - is a basic error any moon scanner would have known about. A viator does not have two highslots, so it cannot fit a cloak and a probe launcher. You can only use a prowler if you're trying to use a blockade runner. I mean come on man, you just keep shooting yourself in the foot and everyone's going to catch that.

And yes: you miss. Moon scanning, being a horrible soul-destroying thing, causes you to naturally start trying to speed things up when you're on moon 200. You're going to get impatient, fire off a probe early by mistake, and miss.



MORE assumptions.

Who said I cloaked?

Go away.

You have already shown yourself to be a laughingstock.

Now you are showing a lack of skill in avoiding POS locks and adversaries.

"miss", he says............

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah. Only impatient morons who have their own delusions as to what others find acceptable play.

Nice try at a cover.

BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!
pussnheels
Viziam
#54 - 2012-06-07 16:52:42 UTC
my opinion it would make 0,0 sec more alive if they actually deplete every few months
Sure it will not bring t2 prices down , opposite even
but right now if you look at 0,0 secall moons been distributed between the great alliances and there is little left to fight over ; just a see of blue out there if you belong to ne of them

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2012-06-07 16:55:17 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

Who said I cloaked?


I did, because that's the only good reason to use a blockade runner when moon probing. Otherwise, you use a disposable ship like a cruiser or something with a decent cargohold, but costs you 5m. You keep making basic errors and trying to bluster your way out of them, but very poorly.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2012-06-07 16:56:26 UTC
"I used an expensive t2 ship that is utterly unfit for the job but sounds like it would be to someone with no idea what they're talking about. That doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, that means I'm an idiot"

That's a fine defense you've got there.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-06-07 16:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Tickles
This thread is a prime example of why we took the CSM from hisec players and are never giving it back. Bleat on, oh uninformed and powerless ones.
Stu Pendisdick
#58 - 2012-06-07 17:27:43 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

Who said I cloaked?


I did, because that's the only good reason to use a blockade runner when moon probing. Otherwise, you use a disposable ship like a cruiser or something with a decent cargohold, but costs you 5m. You keep making basic errors and trying to bluster your way out of them, but very poorly.



Again, pushing your own view on how to play on others.

You really don't get it, do you?

I am beginning to feel a certain pity for you, actually.

Seriously, goodbye.
Iture
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#59 - 2012-06-07 17:38:44 UTC



As someone who has scanned a regions worth of moons. 1 month is faaar too frequent. Very little in eve is as boring as scanning moons. Or as click intensive.

Every 6 to 18 months would be better.

With a moon guaranteed not to deplete in 6 months, but the deposit may last up to a year and a half before cycling.
that would be much better, add a sense of desperation when moons start failing.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-06-07 17:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
Stu Pendisdick wrote:


Again, pushing your own view on how to play on others.

You really don't get it, do you?

I am beginning to feel a certain pity for you, actually.

Seriously, goodbye.

No, I'm pointing out you're clearly lying. Your defense, apparently, is "I'm not lying I'm actually that dumb". I don't really see how that's helpful to you: at best you have the experience you claim but did it so stupidly and didn't learn a thing from the experience we can safely ignore you.

I was somewhat shocked you managed to pick a region with lowsec, honestly, I expected to see you claiming to have scanned the forge or something like that.

edit: silly me, I forgot the forge actually does contain lowsec!

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.