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What would happen if goo-containing moons were shuffled monthly?
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#21 - 2012-06-07 13:46:44 UTC
Basically after each randomisation you'd have the major alliances sending scouts into every system with moon probes, followed up by supercapitals being dropped on anyone "fortunate" enough to find themselves with some tech.

The only way to effectively balance the very high end moon minerals is to create time-sink sources of them outside of the moon system.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#22 - 2012-06-07 13:47:59 UTC
That would cause chaos.

Yes Glorious CHAOS!!

^_^

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#23 - 2012-06-07 13:49:28 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

I personally ran a dozen large towers BY MYSELF, including mining the damned ice, for almost a year.

It wasn't that farkin bad.


Never trust people who don't hate POS mechanics.



Especially when they're in NPC corps.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#24 - 2012-06-07 13:50:24 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
I can think of about 4 or 5 other threads explaining how it's an idiotic idea, so no need to repeat it here.


Sadly those people in those threads are the idiots


I think that award actually goes to you.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#25 - 2012-06-07 13:58:55 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.


And so you still could, and most likely should, in the form of a nice outpost or what have you, but having your "home" sitting on a perpetual ISK printing machine is a bit much.

*THAT* should have to be constantly chased down.



Yeah, but not on a monthly basis. Think of the POS guys....especially with the inventory! Lol Not to mention having the outpost is nice, but I can already see in my mind if the money moves to a new location so does the bulk of the fighting force. Commanders are always going to move to protect what's actually valuable....the grunts will be like geez, can we chill in one spot for a few?

Ban Bindy wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
I don't think this is the answer to the goal you seek. There's a difference between sparking pvp conflicts and forcing alliances to upend their poses and all their equipment and move every few months. The logistics would suck and no doubt the grunts would get sick of moving their crap from station to station. Part of the reward for null is staking out a home and being secure in the knowledge you're going to hold it for the forseeable future.


Secure in the knowledge that you are going to hold the territory for the future - sounds like there is very little risk left in null sec for the big boys. I thought null sec was all about the risk. Apparently not.

I'm being sarcastic of course. How much risk does a 9000+ member alliance actually face in this game? Very little. The supposed risk versus reward system is in fact meaningless in the game. The big boys have all decided that high sec is their future, and that stirring up trouble in high sec is the real end game of Eve. Their nice little suburbs in null sec are basically untouchable except by another monster alliance.

This game is now like playing chess with all of IBM, and the next opponent up is Microsoft. The little player can't compete. Good job there, sandbox.


There's a difference between risk in nullsec and sov. That's why there are NIPS and NAPS, NIPS don't save you from getting ganked by your neighbors. Ideally, any nullsec alliance will at least want to stake out a spot for 2-4 months if not longer by pure power projection. If you're having to shuffle around every month it gets very tiresome.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
The Groundskeeper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-07 14:25:17 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The Groundskeeper wrote:
There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.


Ah, the necessary Goonswarm Though Police swoops in with the usual charm and grace. The rest of us are knuckle draggers. So begins another day in the wonderful sandbox of Eve. Oh mighty Goon master, please forgive us for discussing ideas that you in your infinite wisdom do no wish us to consider.


Apology accepted.
The Groundskeeper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-07 14:27:39 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
The Groundskeeper wrote:
There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.


Ahh, another proponent of all profit, no effort.

I personally ran a dozen large towers BY MYSELF, including mining the damned ice, for almost a year.

It wasn't that farkin bad.


If this was true then you'd know that you can't mine two of the same resource (tech, in the example you gave) from the same moon.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-06-07 14:27:44 UTC
ring mining will already give the ignorant simpleton the ability to mine tech himself without forcing people to go through the mind-numbing tedium of moonscanning

seriously you will never see anyone who has scanned more than 50 moons advocate anything that increases the amount of moon-scanning going on in the game

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2012-06-07 14:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
I mean it might not be the worst idea ever if you ripped out the current moon scanning system, put the person who designed it in stocks and pelted them with tomatoes and feces for days and then hung them, and then put in something that allowed you to actually scan out a system in a reasonable amount of time, but not one of the idiots proposing this ever has any idea what currently goes into scanning moons

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Stu Pendisdick
#30 - 2012-06-07 14:35:43 UTC
The Groundskeeper wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:
The Groundskeeper wrote:
There are several ways to rebalance tech that should be looked at but only dirt-eating simpletons who have never had to scan so much as a constellation, let alone a region every few weeks. And that's before the effect on logisticians who have to unanchor and reanchor hundreds of towers and mods every month or so because some knuckle-dragging chucklepov was a bit jealous but too incompetent to take any tech for himself.


Ahh, another proponent of all profit, no effort.

I personally ran a dozen large towers BY MYSELF, including mining the damned ice, for almost a year.

It wasn't that farkin bad.


If this was true then you'd know that you can't mine two of the same resource (tech, in the example you gave) from the same moon.


It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.

Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.

Your nitpicking changes nothing.
Stu Pendisdick
#31 - 2012-06-07 14:38:17 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
ring mining will already give the ignorant simpleton the ability to mine tech himself without forcing people to go through the mind-numbing tedium of moonscanning

seriously you will never see anyone who has scanned more than 50 moons advocate anything that increases the amount of moon-scanning going on in the game



I have surveyed entire regions.

Obviously I advocate this as it's my post.

So much for your assertion.

I just love people who insist that just because they say it, it must be so.

Lol
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-06-07 14:51:52 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.

Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.

Your nitpicking changes nothing.


no person who knows anything about moon mining would have mentioned techx2, though now you've apparently finally done your homework

you clearly are bullshitting about what you have done and what you know because there is nobody, anywhere, who has scanned "multiple regions" and not wanted to kill someone. when you lie keep it believable

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-06-07 14:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Any kind of random redistribution of resources would just lead to the major players taking as much space as possible to increase their odds of a good find. Right now there are plenty of good moons a small corp/alliance can profit from, but not good enough to be worth murdering with a supercap fleet. This would be destroyed, as in your proposed system, whoever controls more space controls more moons controls more good moons earns more income.

If anything the sov system should discourage holding unused space, not promote it as your idea does.

Despite what you hear on the forums, the moon system is one of the more balanced mechanics of alliance warfare, at least in its results. You have the most profitable R64 and R32 moons held by coallitions and large alliances, mid-tier moons held by small or independent alliances, and the R8s and R16 in lowsec held by small corps.
Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-07 15:05:21 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
this would be like shuffling of security statuses of systems.... pretty funny but not playable at all.... Because you don't know where will you find yourself tomorrow...

I'd love that.

Less yappin', more zappin'!
Stu Pendisdick
#35 - 2012-06-07 15:11:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

It was an example, and it was a valid one and I stand by it.

Nowhere did I claim that you COULD mine both at once, second generation moon miners were never released.

Your nitpicking changes nothing.


no person who knows anything about moon mining would have mentioned techx2, though now you've apparently finally done your homework

you clearly are bullshitting about what you have done and what you know because there is nobody, anywhere, who has scanned "multiple regions" and not wanted to kill someone. when you lie keep it believable


More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.

Truly astounding.

Definitive and Authoritative statements like "no person this that or the other", and just because YOU say it, it must be a global truth.

Oh my. How large the head, yet small the brain of the narrow and closed minded.

Even more so when their perception of reality is disturbed.
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#36 - 2012-06-07 15:21:33 UTC
i'd been advocating about this same exact thing for years now. ccp doesnt bother listening.

i wanted all moon goo to be randomly thrown disturbuted every 6 months, lets say every expansion.

make all asteroid belts needing to be scanned down instead of sitting in the same spot every day. this will help even curb botting.

start making EVE a more dynamic universe where you know, you have to explore. it would be a lot better then just pulling up dotlan and being done with it. put the exploration back into the universe. a more dynamic eve would be better then the static thing we have now.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-07 15:55:13 UTC
This will fit in well with CCP's latest development theme of adding more eye-clawing tedium to Eve...oh wai...

(you are a drooly)
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#38 - 2012-06-07 16:11:23 UTC
Goon tears would become a waterfall!! You would need to read the forums with a scooba mask.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-06-07 16:11:33 UTC
Stu Pendisdick wrote:

More assertions based on nothing other than personal bias.


I speak with experience that anyone can check. I have managed moon reactor farms, I have orchestrated the scanning of several regions, and I know everything there is to know about the t2 material system. All of this experience is easily verifiable, as I'm the CFO of goonswarm. You, on the other hand, are a noname npc alt who has made serious errors about basic facts of moon mining, poorly lied to cover that up, and have asserted unbelievable and unverifiable claims of experience in response to challenges of your incredibly stupid ideas.

As an actual authority on this issue I can say without fear of contradiction from anyone who actually knows what they're talking about that your claimed experience is a lie, that you have no idea what you're talking about, and are an exceptionally poor liar.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-06-07 16:14:37 UTC
Goonswarm has had people who scanned entire regions by themselves before. In the better part of a decade, in the largest alliance in eve that has always been in 0.0, there are few enough of those people you can count the number of those people on the fingers of one hand. You can count the number of those people who spoke positively about the experience on the fingers of one toe.

A claim that a noname npc alt has scanned "multiple regions" is so hilariously unbelievable that only someone who has never so much as fired a moon probe could believe that was going to fool anyone.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.