Wormholes

I believe you have a hamster on your head, please make sure it has an up-to-date clone before you undock!

To be honest as far as pvp goes in most wormholes and in our experience of being in a C3 for over a year now no-one will come to try to engage you in any pvp unless they outnumber you at least 3:1
Then they wonder why you POS up

Meh. I've jumped into a swarm of six PVE drakes with my Proteus before. I counted on them panicking, which they did. Got two kills out of it before they got their heads together and regrouped. They spent an hour looking for me :)

For the most par though, you're right. The reason I didn't die in a glorious fireball with those drakes is they made the assumption that I was running point for a T3 gang. I use that expectation to my advantage and show up looking like I have every confidence of winning a fight I shouldn't be able to win on my own. People are accustomed to being steam-rolled by much larger gangs in w-space. Of COURSE they're going to run at the first sign of trouble.

My favorite is when you have 10-12 people come into your wormhole and start to call you out.

SO you form up what you have, 7 people, in kite drakes to try and give them at least a decent fight. And then they jump in 5 more people. 2 falcons and 3 guardians... and call you chickens whenever you make a tactical retreat off of the field.

Fun times.

Or when you actually have decently even numbers... but you are fighting on a high sec hole. So you know that no matter how good the fight is, no matter how much fun you have during the fight, its all a moot point as the people in the fight will get zero kills and everyone involved will walk away with a bad taste in their mouth as they grudginly say GF in HS local as we all wait for our drakes shields to go to full in preparation for another pointless round two.

About 6 weeks ago I was a bystander to something similar to what the OP describes. Scanned our system down, noting 1 K162 C2, which seemed quiet when I looked inside. Popped into our static C1 and saw a couple active ships on dscan (drake and cane, I think). Worked to locate the site they were running, then almost ran into a cov ops at the C1 on my way back home (he jumped into C1 from my home just as I arrived). So I held cloak in the C1 without jumping home.

About 30 seconds later my corpmate who had just logged on said he saw a bunch of ships on dscan in our system. Sure enough, here came a fleet of about 15 ships (mixed fleet of T3, BC, HAC) jumping into the C1. They decloaked and hung out for a minute, then a bunch of them warped off from the wh. Meanwhile the site runners (who had been at a site off dscan from wh) come back to POS (which IS in dscan range from wh). The big fleet randomly warps around for about 5 minutes, then they all regroup at wh and jump out, putting the wh mass down at well below 50%.

I assumed they had come from the K162 I had seen in our wh 20 minutes earlier, but nope. They had just opened a wh into our home, which they then proceeded to collapse over the next 20 minutes or so.

So here is a group that comes stampeding into a C1 with all the finesse of the proverbial bull in a china shop. They don't have a fix on their targets, decloak in dscan range of the POS, and bring ~15 ships to chase 2. Impressive stalking abilities, guys.

I understand being worried about the targets having extra help, but c'mon. You didn't even have a chance to locate them before you were jumping in. Ruined my chance to to jump those same guys with 3 ships cuz you go blundering in blind. If you had been a bit more subtle you might have even gotten ME while I was jumping the other guys. lol

@ Derath Ellecon - when you believe the salvage cormy is bait, you bring a Naga in at 100-200km and vape him in one shot, then leave. His mates then sit around the charred wreck in their cloaky gank Proteus' twiddling their thumbs.

There is a skill in getting people to play rock-paper-gankfleet. You have to deploy just enough to get them to attack your initial force, but not enough to result in them POSing up. This is a combination of factors, not least being shiptype, but also the toons you use.

eg, when you find a dude in your neighbouring C3 from Sleeper Angels, a versy suspect looking corp made up of, I presume, griefer alts, you wonder how you can get the dude out of POS in his hound. So you decide that baiting with a gassing Ferox is the way to go; but if you put Trinkets friend in the Ferox, it's pretty obvious you're going to DIAF to surprise subtext.

So, you deploy your actual gassing alt, who has zero kills to his name and cannot actually use a dissy. Numbnuts in the POS inevitably sees you on scan and asks for the exit to lowsec. This is the CEO of the corp, mind you...yeah. Anyway, demand of 50M for the exit BM is refused because he claims he has no ISK. This is the CEO....who has no ISK...riiight.

"I guess I'll get back to sucking your gas" says the gassing alt, happily jetcanning another can named C50.

Lo and behold, 30s later the CEO is in a stealth bomber, chewing slowly through the Ferox's shields. We let him nibble away as mining drones are deployed, and recalled, various vectors applied on the Ferox. Then, just as it looks like armour is about to be hit, the Arazu decloaks. The broke-ass can't-scan CEO is relieved of his Hound.

"I guess I'll get back to sucking your gas"

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I've heard one of our gate guards call you as entering our WH with your cyclone, and note you have a "lone" friend in (i believe) a t1 scanner ship. I don't know if you had backup or not, but the two drakes we had spoiling for a fight were told to sit down. You can't be "scary," "notorious," and "easy prey" at the same time.

Oh, oh! I remember the second-last time I got called a chicken in a wormhole.

It started like this. I jumped out to hisec in Uedama, and noticed Araceli Gabriela in Local, someone I had already set -5.0 because, well, just a pain in the arse. The standings relate to the alt who fell for, you guessed it, the gassing Ferox ( http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14027718 ) so fair warning if you see it sucking. This person makes a lot of chop about camping a system in a faction fitted bomber or covops, these days with Virtues in the skull, waiting to pop dudes doing PI or whatever. The alt, Gabriella, these days fiels a 100MN Tengu.

So, we set up a tarp. The tarp gets sprung early, and we think the gig is up, but a bit of a derp with a wreck and the cheetah gets decloaked, and of course, the first thing you do is have Cheetah vs Anathema 1v1. Our Cheetah bails in low structure, job completed ( http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16135739 ) seconds before the Tengu of Araceli Gabriela lands. The Drake involved there gets pointed by the Tengu, and we bust it out with a BB.

Then, of course, like flies to dung, you get Xamiakas just in from Uedama with a buffer Proteus (I'm thinking, knowing the size of this dude's brains and testicles, 250K EHP). We consider fighting on the hisec because we want Xamiakas corpse sooo badly, but then three Guardians and an Ishkur jump in.

Three guardians. Really?

Then Local flashes and its our moast favoite EVE Player evar, Xamiakas, "Chickenshits" quoth he.

Yes, dude, I want to engage you in a fight where I would need, oh, I dunno, the hole to mysteriously close on you in order for us to kill you before you jump out to hisec like a baby.

Oh yeah, so familiar with these amateurs.

They jumped a PI **** of ours. We jump into combats and send out scouts. Scouts in our system. Scouts into our static (where they came from). Scouts on our static low. We gots eyeballs errywhere, I'm saying. And they know it.

Proty decloaks and advertises himself as bait off the C2 static. We've also had a loki, and as I recall one or two tengus called. We engage the Proty, expecting the tengus and loki to come in, but we also have eyes on scouts. Scouts see big fleet, logi and multiple deeps hulls inbound, vs. our 4 T3's with no logi support. We disengage, they jump in, we either warp off or jump into the C2 and warp off. Outnumbered about 2:1. We lose nothing.

This made them very mad. But really, dear sirs...what were you expecting? You saw us scout. You flashed your hulls around. Your bait couldn't have advertised himself more clearly than if he'd named his ship, and his toon, 'I am bait.'

Also, they jumped their entire combat fleet in, leaving our guys free to warp off into the C2. Really, really beginnerish stuff.

Finesse, you can haz?

POSing up when you have 3 guys and there are 20 T3s parked on your static isnt the problem, that's just being smart.
The annoying part is when you have multiple caps online, a dozen support and there are a half dozen T3s and 2 guardians on your static and you POS up.
That's just being a pussy.
sure there are probably a few reinforcements somewhere but to not even have a go?

PS: those people who didnt hide their numbers probably were chain collapsing, looking for active fleets, so they figured theyd give killing the covops a shot and move on if your system wasnt active.