EVE General Discussion

If there is enough of a demand for the EVE you are describing, I'd agree. There are in fact three camps involved here though. It isn't black and white like some make it out to be.

Camp A: Carebear Camp
Camp B: Call a spade a spade. Remove High Sec, make the game a Sandbox and watch it burn.
Camp C: Fostering cruelty healthy or otherwise. Making EVE the 'cold universe'.

I fit in Camp B. I'm not so much against EVE the sandbox or even EVE the cold harsh Universe. While I don't see the need to foster cruelty and shoot people for the sake of creating their misery I also like that in EVE, if you prove to be a burden to me, I can and will remove you as a burden. Not to be cruel, simply to do it because it needs to be done. "Cold" but that's EVE. I don't feel the need to hunt people down because I have a desire to be a sadistic personality online or otherwise. To me that's just taking things too far and that's what I am seeing right now.

Aion is a poor comparison as it's a Korean grind fest, as designed. Never made it bast beta because it sucked that much.

As far as the PvP vs PvE argument (again for the 3403839 post), we will need to see how the population stabilizes with the most recent release, purmageddon, ice interdiction, and frack jita. It's too soon to tell how the player base will respond. It would be nice if CCP updated the community on player reactions - Subs, population shifts, and player activities.


As for my observations, those who decided to keep flying are adapting. Those who did not want the high risk for little reward (mining in high sec) have moved to the low risk/high reward environment of nulsec.

For those who have not adapted, we will need to see where they land. I'm sure CCP will adjust accordingly.

What people don't really realize is that, even if they're a high-sec miner or a mission runner or whatever, they're part of a massive, cohesive universe that includes all sorts of people - people who will shoot you for being in their territory, people who will shoot you for running a certain route, people who will shoot you for spare parts, people who will shoot you for the heck of it, and people who will shoot you because you're not one of them. Which is unsurprisingly like a real world.

I honestly see the Carebears as a bit like the Amish.
Not that I have anything against the Amish, but the self-seclusion is the same kind of thing.
And if they get all mad about the things they willingly seclude themselves from, well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, I guess. If you want to play a simple PvE game that's not like, a living world, go elsewhere, I guess.

Or maybe I'm off my nut.

Where have they suggested you HAVE to play a certain way? They're just blowing your ships up. You can CHOOSE how you'd like to respond to that, and there are many responses that are effective.


Here are some options you might try during this trying time.

1. Continue Mining like normal and Accept the losses
2. Continue Mining as normal but in a Covetor and Accept the losses
3. Mine in a Rokh, comfortably immune* to Suicide Ganks
4. Tank your Hulk and Accept a lower number of Losses from edge case profit based ganks.
5. Tank your Hulk with RR and be comfortable immune to Suicide Ganks
6. Mine in a Normally Fit Hulk but use a short range D-Scan to escape ganks
7. Set up safespots such that you can maintain a rough orbit in range of a roid by aligning to each BM in turn
8. Set up Hulks to Web each other, mine aligned to 1 SS at 7m/s (warpable speed) (can be done @ max yield)
9. Watch local for known gankers, accept the occasional gank from unknown ganks
10. Mine in Mission pockets
11. Mine in Grav Sites, occasionally scanning D-Scan
12. Tank your Hulk and have friends in BLAP AC Nados ready to shoot (one should kill a Cat before you die, failing the gank)
13. Tank your Hulk and have friends with ECM
14. Tank your Hulk and run 5x Med ECM drones and accept that you'll die if they fail
15. Mine in Lowsec (can be done solo in a quiet system)
16. Mine in Null (can be done solo in a quiet NPC sov system)
17. Mine in WH space

*all cases of immunity from Suicide Ganks assume profit-based ganks. Non-Profit based ganks are rare and are not something that can be negated by game mechanics changes besides eliminating ganks, thus can be ignored.

All of these options have advantages and disadvantages. All of them will work. Not all of them are perfect.

If ALL of these options do not work for you, please describe your very special situation, and

I'll come up with a custom solution or call you names. You know, depending...

Yes, but the carebear who flips a gasket, blows a few fuses, and splits the atoms in his vagus nerve when he gets shot does exist and he makes things rather less fun for everyone.

Not, of course, that all PvP is good and wholesome and it should continue as it is, and everyone should shoot at everyone all the time. Far from it. I'm not necessarily super-fond of Hulkageddon myself (though, to be fair, there's a few good points about it) or any of the other systematic attempts at "destroying PvE-ers." That's uncalled for. That's not playing the game and interacting with them like you normally would - shall we say, "in roleplay," for a better phrase - that's hunting them down for "out-of-character" reasons just to assuage your ego that was bruised by a screaming and flailing fuzzy-wuzzy last time you spaced him.

It's not very sporting.
And yet, a lot of these PvE-ers (apparently more noticeably than the PvP-ers) are not sporting either.





I'd think that science, industry and mining are the first and healthiest steps a player can take into the world of Eve. Corporations that help newbies into these economic roles (which leads to the rest of the game) are entirely vital. They help people understand the base economic roles, from which the rest of the game develops. This, in theory, prevents things like the anti-miner crap we see nowadays.

Understanding some wrinkle in the market is a lot different then failing to read any of the other 100 fits on the internet for every ship in EVE. Even in S&I and MD, if someone just doesn't do any work themselves, people will flame them.

As to the OP and the discussions in general, when the game you wish to play is no longer fun, find something else. If you have to twist yourself into a pretzel to accomplish what you want to within the timeframes you allow yourself to play, then perhaps you need to find a game that better suits you. That goes for the pvpers, the pvers, or whatever label you want to toss on yourself.

So many of the PVP players absolutely KNOW the future that it's scary. Only you and CCP are saving the world by keeping the game so hard nobody can play it except as a full time job. Good luck with that.

If i remember that's what made this game great. I would think that why many of the player who are here play EvE in the first place. They want the challenge. Other games have made it a point to take the challenge out of games, with no challenge there is no sense of accomplishment. By keeping the game hard with a high learning curve people feel accomplished in what they do when they achieve it.

Both sides of this argument have rights and wrongs. People are yelling at the high sec pve players to come out to null. They say they hide behind high sec, but the same could be said about the bigger alliances and blob warfare. But that is part of the game. High sec gives to much reward with out any real risk or skill needed, and I think that was people are really yelling about.

Eve has or had the highest learning curve and the older players and player who put the time in and learned how to survive out in Null and low are probably feeling cheated, because new players who AFK mine or sit in station are getting the same “in game reward” as they are with no risk. So they made it a point to bring the risk to them. Which is apart of what EvE stands for and they have to understand that .

By making the game easier to understand and to play, it basically telling the new players don’t bother going further then 0.5, stay safe and get rewards.

Or hell I could be reaching on this….

You mean like the low and null pvpers that use alts to run missions to help support their pvp?
You mean the null alliances that use alts to freighter stuff around so they can use the protection of CONCORD?
You mean basically the same people telling others that they're doing it wrong, while doing that which they say is wrong.

You aren't bad because you don't view Eve as a full time occupation, you are simply bad.

People need to stop blaming their eve-related inadequacies on lack of time spent in game. I only get to log in a few times a week now, I still kill stuff whenever I do log in and I make enough ISK to plex 3 accounts. Casual game play exists in Eve, what you are confusing it with is low-skill game play.