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Hi-sec ganking IS griefing
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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-06-07 15:59:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Klandi wrote:
highonpop wrote:


Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.


As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see.

Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again

Wait a minute.

Does -FA- pay you rent? Because I don't think they pay anybody rent.

In fact, I'm really quite sure they do what they want.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-06-07 16:09:20 UTC
People who accuse FA of being renters miss a critical concept in 0.0 life: Renters are completely useless in an actual fight. They won't defend their space, let alone yours, if you're renting out that space to them.

I'd try to post something more on topic as well but I honestly can't understand what the OP is trying to say. Something about POS and whatnot being dependent on null? I really don't get it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2012-06-07 16:10:28 UTC
Klandi wrote:
And if I learn Eve the way that you learnt Eve would I also bow and scrape to my Goon overlords like you do ... Grow a pair


God help you if M0o ever came back.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#104 - 2012-06-07 16:35:08 UTC
Klandi wrote:
So instead of discussing subjective theory, let me express a scenario - as close to factual as possible.

I am an industrialist in game - I want to make money by making stuff and selling stuff. The "sandbox" allows this. To perform this I must have a way of making stuff and also making a profit so I can pay for plexes for my characters and purchase components to make into stuff. My preferred method of making stuff is by erecting a POS - a large one, a Minnie POS.
I need to sell my stuff to the masses and the most cost effective location is Jita - so where is the best place to erect my POS?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Sadly not oh gentle reader - because it would not be profitable - and the cost of PLEXes is high so I must maximize my profits. So I put up my POS in hi-sec - fairly close to this major hub.
Now I need fuel to maintain this method of gameplay - where do I go to get this?
IN NULL_SEC OF COURSE.
Again - we are not on the same page - I need to get the ice in hi-sec because it is cost effective and I prefer to do it alone as I cannot afford to share it. So - a Metropolis ice bearing system gets the attention of my ice-miner.
And I get ganked ....

Because the situation has been created that means several variables (hi-sec, POS structures, fuel requirements, location of Jita, type of gameplay) I have no choice about where I go to optimize my profits.

So for the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station - why do I need null-sec?
And why do I need to be ganked?

In short ,YOU have created my dependency and now you want to punish me for it?
That is griefing...


So much fail in one post.

#1. You don't not have a RIGHT to make ANY profit in EVE (this is the basis of your whining).. If making a profit were some kind of right, you still wouldn't have a right to complain because:

#2. You don't have a RIGHT to play the game using plex only, tha'ts called a "privillage". If you can't find a way to make enough money to buy plex, this is in no way someone elses fault. But not having a right to either profit or free (plex) play time, you still have no basis to complain because:

#3. You don't have the right to "not" join with others when you need to. Simply put, more people would make what you want to do easier, but you CHOOSE not to yet refuse to accept the lower (or) no profit that comes with that choice. The above 3 are all still moot because:

#4. This game is not about "the casual player, the one that does not like large groups or never feels the need to be hampered by sitting in or creating a supercap or station". NO GAME is about everything/everybody. EVE is an MMO, not a single player game you can pause when you like. If you want to do "solo/casual/high-sec" that's fine, as long as you accept the consequences of those choices.

People like you are simply unreasonable, you want it all, at no cost. Sorry, that's not the EVE way.
ian papabear
No Regard.
#105 - 2012-06-07 16:42:53 UTC
Your decisions afftect your eve gameplay. You chose to become an industrialist. CCP did not force you into that position nor are you required to do it.

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#106 - 2012-06-07 17:17:36 UTC
Most of the time its considered prifit, NOT griefing.

If you get killed just for the sake of getting killed, then its griefing.

When is CCP going to finally fix world hunger?
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#107 - 2012-06-07 17:27:50 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
When is CCP going to finally fix world hunger?


They did. Just not enough people are opting for the zombie racial option. More people are getting in on it these days though.

Every day I'm wafflin!
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#108 - 2012-06-07 17:41:25 UTC
I can only hope it's a troll, but if not:

Warpshade wrote:
basically you just want to accumulate wealth without threat via changing game mechanics.


This. Also this whine seems good, we'll have a bottle

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2012-06-07 17:57:56 UTC
Klandi wrote:
highonpop wrote:


Anyone who lets the actions of another control their actions without their consent is a weak minded individual.


As it seems FA are - so you are speaking from experience there I see.

Thank you for the most useless advice given in this thread - please do not post again



Posting again cause you're Butt Hurt

I don't see how being allies with another alliance is allowing them to dictate what we do


YOU on the other hand let someone else affect you so much that you had to come to the forums and cry about it. Now that no one is supporting your 'stomp my feet and cry about it" fest, you're getting butt hurt.


I say again, LEARN TO PLAY EVE

FC, what do?