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Time to wake up ccp and smell the roses (not)
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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-06 19:16:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE
Weeeell… there's a limit to how much will spawn on a single day, but we're nowhere near that limit in terms of how much is being collected so the effect is much the same.


Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.

Mission spawns are safer these days anyway.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-06-06 19:17:13 UTC
Savage Angel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE
Weeeell… there's a limit to how much will spawn on a single day, but we're nowhere near that limit in terms of how much is being collected so the effect is much the same.


Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.

Mission spawns are safer these days anyway.

Did I mention that Veldspar rocks in null are bigger than high-sec stations?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-06-06 19:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
punkout wrote:
secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .
…which is why you move one system over and mine there instead.

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the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .
They're struggling because they can't be arsed to solve their own “problem”.

There's plenty of trit — they just have to be a bit competitive about it and either get it early or find a source that the competitors haven't found yet. This is such a simple and easily available solution that “casual” doesn't qualify as an excuse.

Savage Angel wrote:
Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.
Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance — you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-06-06 19:18:29 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
punkout wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!



just quick question not aimed to be hostile but how many hours a day do u get to play eve and secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .

the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .

The Veldspar asteroids in null are the size of the station you dock at in high-sec. Make a friend, join an alliance, be part of the revolution!



I am in 0.0 alliance and 3 cycles on a hulk to kill a veld rock pffff give me a mega rock like the spod rock :)
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#25 - 2012-06-06 19:18:55 UTC
My observation is that you are mining in a high traffic high sec system in a **** set up. A good crew of 3 can clean out these belts in an hour. A great crew can do several systems in a 8 hour shift.

But whats more is that there are belts out there in low and null that are never touched. And they have roids in them that are larger than anything you will ever see in your time in this game. Just one of them yield enough to build several ships. This is why mega alliances are mega and you are here on the forum complaining about a lack of minerals.

As for the ships, well, you see me cruising in my 200 mil BS, you be hatin'

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-06 19:22:44 UTC
I have an inalienable right to lose x BS a week.
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-06 19:24:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
punkout wrote:
secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .
…which is why you move one system over and mine there instead.

[quote]the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .
They're struggling because they can't be arsed to solve their own “problem”.

There's plenty of trit — they just have to be a bit competitive about it and either get it early or find a source that the competitors haven't found yet. This is such a simple and easily available solution that “casual” doesn't qualify as an excuse.

Savage Angel wrote:
Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.
Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance — you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.[/quot

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time . even ratting takes time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc sure they can be the ones flying small frigs all the time so there will always be a part for them in the game but like i have said there is no major wars going on at the moment when there is u will see what I am talking about .
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-06-06 19:26:24 UTC
punkout wrote:
Tippia wrote:
punkout wrote:
secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .
…which is why you move one system over and mine there instead.

[quote]the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .
They're struggling because they can't be arsed to solve their own “problem”.

There's plenty of trit — they just have to be a bit competitive about it and either get it early or find a source that the competitors haven't found yet. This is such a simple and easily available solution that “casual” doesn't qualify as an excuse.

Savage Angel wrote:
Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.
Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance — you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.[/quot

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time . even ratting takes time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc sure they can be the ones flying small frigs all the time so there will always be a part for them in the game but like i have said there is no major wars going on at the moment when there is u will see what I am talking about .

If you don't complete the mission it resets at downtime with full belts just like the normals ones.

Learn about Eve before you post whine threads on the forum. Then you won't look so foolish to people wiser than you.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#29 - 2012-06-06 19:28:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tippia wrote:
Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance — you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.


L3 mission first pocket can be farmed in 5-10 minutes then there are so many roids to keep 2-3 hulks busy for hours.
There are people like me who have 4-5 L4 capable pilots, many more can have L3 capable pilots.
Take 2-3 missions, don't complete them and let them roll and respawn for a week. Those that don't spawn roids, get another farm in 20 minutes and repeat till you get another with roids.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#30 - 2012-06-06 19:30:29 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:

And they have roids in them that are larger than anything you will ever see in your time in this game. Just one of them yield enough to build several ships.


When I mined in low sec, if I recall correctly, the veldspar roids held 170-180k units each.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-06-06 19:30:59 UTC
punkout wrote:
the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time
Nope. More time is not needed, just a new location.

As luck would have it, finding a new location is a very casual-friendly activity.

Quote:
ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc
Funnily enough, this leaves ship prices at a level that was very common a few years ago, and casual players (even with kids and jobs) had no problem paying for them back then. They have it even easier now because the overall cost has gone down and since there are more and easier options for making ISK now.

The increase is also spectacularly irrelevant for professions such as mining, since their income increases proportionally with those ship costs increases.
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-06-06 19:31:16 UTC
punkout wrote:


Savage Angel wrote:
Actually the limit is a moving target, as you can spawn Veld with many missions. So even as pilot levels increase, so does the total amount available in the game.
Fair enough, but that addition is pretty minute compared to the belts and it doesn't scale 1:1 since you still have to complete the mission to get a chance of being given a new belt, and since it just that: a chance — you can't control which missions you get and only some will have any ore in them.[/quot

the only way to solve the problem is play eve more but they do not have the time . even ratting takes time

ship prices have gone up by about 45% which means a casual player need to play eve about 45% more not possible if they have jobs kids etc sure they can be the ones flying small frigs all the time so there will always be a part for them in the game but like i have said there is no major wars going on at the moment when there is u will see what I am talking about .


I wasn't suggesting this was a great way to mine. I was simply stating that there is a moving limit as to how much is in the game.

Yesterday I went on a 12 jump hop to buy a new battleship hull which was 30M cheaper in another constellation. On the way I went through several systems that had 1 - 3 people in them, some of them with over a dozen belts in them. I wandered through the belts just to check and they were all full of roids. This was maybe 8 hours before DT.

Point is, the minerals are there. Go get them.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-06-06 19:45:58 UTC
eve's economy is in a major recession

you might call it the great pubbie depression

deal wiz it

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#34 - 2012-06-06 19:46:35 UTC
punkout wrote:
Ok CCp i hope u have a back up plan because wait for it have you not seen the price of ships recently . I have no problem with your idea of removing drone poo from the game but I am afraid there is just not enough trit in the game to keep up with the amount of ships that are exploding . There is a lot more players blowing more **** up than there was a few years ago and the miners tat are trying to keep up with the trit demand are not able to .


Kind of two different ideas there. Are you getting at that the prices have jumped since the update (Poo nerf) or that they have been on the rise over the last few years?

For the latter prices have be rising steadily in general over the last few years, with the odd spike or dive here and there.

But as for the former I have a good personal example. On the first day of the Inferno patch I took a look at my ship hanger and the value set at the time for the stuff was a little over 35b. Since then I have added a Fenrir and not really sold anything due to being in and around Tristram, saving the world from evil.

The value as of ten minutes ago when I took this screenie is a whopping less than 1% change. So, to be honest, I'm just not seeing this insane inflation for ship prices. Although it would be nice to see a ten or twenty percent jump in prices for the good of my wallet.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-06-06 19:47:30 UTC
Savage Angel wrote:
Point is, the minerals are there. Go get them.


That's exactly what high sec miners should stop doing Lol

brb
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-06 19:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
punkout wrote:
ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.


If you're mining the ore yourself, then prices become irrelevant beyond the point of YOU MAKE MORE PROFIT IF THE COST OF SHIPS IS HIGHER.

I'm not so sure you actually thought about what you typed.


I don't mine the minerals to build my goods, I'm entirely at the mercy of the mineral market. What I build becomes priced on what it cost to make, what the market demand for the item is, and how supply for that item there is. None of these things CCP can interfere in.

Mineral prices are not much higher then the've been. It does not benefit me to have low ship prices, or lower demand.

How about instead of complaining, you take those minerals and sell them for profit? The more minerals you put on the market, and the lower you price them, then the more you'll actually have an impact on what price goods are sold for. If all of you miners started doing that, it would be even more effective.

If you're using the minerals you mine, then YOU are responcible for driving costs because YOU are reducing the amount of minerals available for pure manufactures like me. You're doing the same thing that the people who horde minerals are doing, drving up cost by reducin availability on the market.

The difference between you and them is? They're smart enough to know this.
Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2012-06-06 19:56:46 UTC
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!


This is only partially correct. While belts renew themselves during downtime, once they are mined for the day, they are mined for the day. Also, if I remember correctly, roids increase in size over time if they are not mined - thus belts that are depleted daily can only renew at a small size. As time increases and if more people begin mining in high sec to meet the increased demand and higher payoff, this trend will spread to surrounding systems and over time slow the flow of trit to markets. Essentially, yes, trit is a renewable resources, but there can come a point where there is a very hard ceiling on the supply that may be difficult to break.

I too would love to see min prices go higher thought :)
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-06-06 20:04:19 UTC
I'd like to add something else.

The biggest detriment to the market are the morons that can't do simple math. It's frustrating constantly being undercut by a wide margin, only to see that they're pricing goods a loss on my end, even after I've researched the hell out of the BPO.

People who mine all the minerals they need to manufacture an item have the most controll over the market, and pure manufacturers can not in any way compete with them. I have to actually consider what it cost me in minerals to make a ship, you don't, and I see enough stuff priced at below mineral cost to either know that I'm being pushed out by someone that mined or is to stupid to do elementary math.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2012-06-06 20:07:22 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I have to actually consider what it cost me in minerals to make a ship, you don't, and I see enough stuff priced at below mineral cost to either know that I'm being pushed out by someone that mined or is to stupid to do elementary math.
The miner has to make the same consideration. That last sentence should read “someone that mined and is to stupid to do elementary math”.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#40 - 2012-06-06 20:08:56 UTC
punkout wrote:
........ the more casual player who does not have much time to play eve is struggling to rat enough isk to be able to loose a couple of BS a week . ......


There is your problem. Fly BCs.

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