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Time to wake up ccp and smell the roses (not)
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punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-06 18:48:26 UTC
Ok CCp i hope u have a back up plan because wait for it have you not seen the price of ships recently . I have no problem with your idea of removing drone poo from the game but I am afraid there is just not enough trit in the game to keep up with the amount of ships that are exploding . There is a lot more players blowing more **** up than there was a few years ago and the miners tat are trying to keep up with the trit demand are not able to . Today a guy in my corp decided to hang up his eve boots because of this . And he has been in eve for over 5 years . and I am sure that he will not be the only one I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also . the more casual player who does not have much time to play eve is struggling to rat enough isk to be able to loose a couple of BS a week . and for the new player joining they are having to put in twice the effort just to eventually get that ship they wanted and then more than likely get high sec ganked with it anyway . If u have a back up plan now is the time to do something about it a before nobody uses those big shiny ships because they are impossible to replace and u get nothing but a fleets of cruisers flying around or very simply less and less conflict in the game because it is not possible to keep up with large ship losses .
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-06 18:49:38 UTC
punkout wrote:
Ok CCp i hope u have a back up plan because wait for it have you not seen the price of ships recently . I have no problem with your idea of removing drone poo from the game but I am afraid there is just not enough trit in the game to keep up with the amount of ships that are exploding . There is a lot more players blowing more **** up than there was a few years ago and the miners tat are trying to keep up with the trit demand are not able to . Today a guy in my corp decided to hang up his eve boots because of this . And he has been in eve for over 5 years . and I am sure that he will not be the only one I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also . the more casual player who does not have much time to play eve is struggling to rat enough isk to be able to loose a couple of BS a week . and for the new player joining they are having to put in twice the effort just to eventually get that ship they wanted and then more than likely get high sec ganked with it anyway . If u have a back up plan now is the time to do something about it a before nobody uses those big shiny ships because they are impossible to replace and u get nothing but a fleets of cruisers flying around or very simply less and less conflict in the game because it is not possible to keep up with large ship losses .

The prices look a lot like 2005-2006 prices to me if we're being honest about it.

That's bad how?

EDIT: Also, first to ask "That's bad how?"
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-06 18:51:26 UTC
A not joke is the best way to insure that your post will be taken seriously.
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-06 18:52:07 UTC
in 2005 and 2006 there were a lot less players blowing stuff up like i said in the post there is not enough trit in the game to keep up with current player numbers .
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2012-06-06 18:53:07 UTC
Ship prices have fallen for the last few weeks, as have my profits. There is no shortage of trit.
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-06 18:58:48 UTC
If there is not enough trit in the game, people will find a way to make more trit. It doesn't happen overnight, but it does happen. That is the basis of supply and demand.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-06-06 19:01:33 UTC
I have plenty of hulls in my hangar. If trit goes high enough, I promise I'll open my reserves.

Lol
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-06 19:03:29 UTC
Formatting, use it.

If the trit supply is overtaken by demand why is that a bad thing? That will just make trit worth more. If trit becomes worth enough, more people will start mining, supply will increase. It's a very basic economic concept.

If BS's become to expensive to lose, people will start flying cruisers or something. The price adjustment that has happened/is happening is a good thing. Prices were being held down, let the free market work.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#9 - 2012-06-06 19:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexandra Delarge
punkout wrote:
I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also


I don't know where you are getting your information from but a CCP employee recently said:

"We are on the cusp of breaking our all-time subscriber record right now,"

Taken from this article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/e3-2012-ccp-says-it-wants-eve-to-be-around-in-10-20-30-years/
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-06 19:04:25 UTC
ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
#11 - 2012-06-06 19:06:56 UTC
punkout wrote:
ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.

If this is true why don't you find a way to profit from this instead of complaining about it?
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-06 19:07:03 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
punkout wrote:
I am noticing a trend of less and less activity its is slow decline but it is there for sure and if u look into your server logs u will see it . I will not be surprised also that the amount of new players trial accounts that is becoming a subscribed account has declined also


I don't know where you are getting your information from but a CCP employee recently said:

"We are on the cusp of breaking our all-time subscriber record right now,"

Taken from this article:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/06/05/e3-2012-ccp-says-it-wants-eve-to-be-around-in-10-20-30-years/




all mmo generally grow but look at the activity .
Khoda Khan
Vatlaa Corporation
#13 - 2012-06-06 19:07:16 UTC
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#14 - 2012-06-06 19:08:19 UTC
Everyone knows the logs show nothing.

[/sarcasm]
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-06 19:08:59 UTC
Alexandra Delarge wrote:
punkout wrote:
ok my point is a single pilot can mine all the veld in a system all day so there is no more left only to find once it is refined they only have enough if they are lucky to maybe build 1 BS maybe 2 in a system with a lot of belts fo the guys who do not mine u would not realise this . now before u say do not mine then i do almost everything in the game for they guy who has said that ship prices have fell in the last few weeks there is not much 0.0 conflict going on like there was a few moths back just wait until it all kicks of then and then watch the prices.

If this is true why don't you find a way to profit from this instead of complaining about it?



not really a complaint more of an observation . of things at the moment and the way things will be in the future .
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-06-06 19:10:03 UTC
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE
Weeeell… there's a limit to how much will spawn on a single day, but we're nowhere near that limit in terms of how much is being collected so the effect is much the same.
punkout
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-06 19:13:32 UTC
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!



just quick question not aimed to be hostile but how many hours a day do u get to play eve and secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .

the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .
Shad0wsFury
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-06 19:15:21 UTC
As others have said, there are plenty of supplies of trit out there, it's just that people aren't willing/able to acquire it. Eventually it will either be profitable enough for people to brave getting ganked, or they will find an alternate route of acquiring it.

Also, CCP is trying to get people away from single ship centered fleet concepts it seems, and they've also stated that they want to see more roles for tech 1 cruisers an such, which will probably be coming in the winter expansion. If BS hulls cost too much for people, having viable T1 cruiser-sized ships might plug that hole.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-06-06 19:15:28 UTC
punkout wrote:
Khoda Khan wrote:
There is more than enough tritanium in the game. Ore is not a finite resource in EVE, thus there is no limit to the amount of tritanium that is available, aside from the number of players who are attempting to harvest it. As ship prices increases, based on increasing costs of the resources required to make them, more pilots will attempt to cash in on those higher prices. This in turn increases the supply and drives down costs.

The increased costs of ships at the moment suits me just fine. I think the recent changes in the mineral markets is GOOD for the game. If anything, I'd like to see minerals increase a bit more in value (and thus every other manufactured item). So dropping nearly 10 billion on a jump freighter (double the price of a few months ago) because of OTEC is a bit aggravating, but hell, more power to OTEC for wrapping up the tech market!



just quick question not aimed to be hostile but how many hours a day do u get to play eve and secondly when a system is mined of veld there wlll be no more until DT including in high sec .

the more casual eve player who does not have a lot of time to make isk are struggling .

The Veldspar asteroids in null are the size of the station you dock at in high-sec. Make a friend, join an alliance, be part of the revolution!
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2012-06-06 19:15:51 UTC
What's that? Mineral demand is up and mineral prices are on the rise?

Sounds like you'd better get mining, then.

Strategic Cruisers and deadspace modules don't use minerals. Try those instead.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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