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Incursions Destroyed by Nerf - If proof were needed.....
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Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-07 04:37:00 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I've recently been looking back at the killboards of SKNK's incursion griefing victims. With roughly 250 kills it's too tedious to put together real numbers, but I have seen one remarkable trend...

I'd estimate that maybe 100 of our former targets had a history in nullsec or w-space prior to our encounter in a highsec incursion. Following their loss to our gank fleet...nothing, until the past month. A remarkable number of those characters have resumed activities in dangerous space and reentered the realm of PVP...apparently because of the incursion nerf. When the isk faucet was slowed down, they went back to doing what they did before.

This tells me two things. First, the incursioners were lying when they said "it's about the community!" Obviously not. The community didn't get nerfed and the payout is still decent. It's just not the crazy-high rewards of six months ago. No, it's become quite plain that it was never about community. It was about isk. And second, incursions were indeed drawing players away from other environments. Couple that with what we've learned about the priority of most of the people running incursions, and you realize that incursions were indeed bad for Eve. They drew people out of corporations and alliances solely to tap the isk faucet.

The incursion nerf has simply restored things to their previous state. I'm in favor of it staying just as it is. Let those who actually value the community continue running incursions. Let those who want an isk faucet chase it in place that provide risk along with the reward.


Personally, I wonder how many of those people who went back to WH space/nullsec etc. initially did the incursions for isk, or if they did them because they were new and different from what they were used to. When I started doing incursions, they weren't paying more than missions were (and were mostly being completed by drakes), but because they were new and different, I still went and did them.

Now yes, the isk was definately nice. But if you always get your isk in the same way all the time, you really begin to burn out doing that. Hence why I've done everything from missions to exploration to WH space, to nullsec anoms to incursions. And I'll probably cycle back through all of them again, and I still have mission ships sitting by my favorite agent, incursion ships waiting for me in jita in case I ever feel the urge to do that again, exploration ships scattered around space, and about half the stuff I would need to go back into WH's full time again. Its all a matter of changing it up from time to time.

-Arazel
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#22 - 2012-06-07 05:15:17 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Incursions are a new thing.
Nerfing a new thing to balance it with all the old things is hardly 'killing a major part of eve'.
move the fk on.

As a note, go check faction mod prices since the nerf and let me know if you see a trend.
Yes, it probably has a lot to do with being floated on the normal market but it's related.


Tag prices increased again?

The biggest server population spike in the past 2 years is after Incursions got implemented. The biggest server population drop in the past 2 years, excluding Aur scandal, is after Incursions got nerfed.

Expansion too successful? Nerf it!Big smile

evidence??

btw, if you carebears keep claiming doing incursion to "fund" your pvp, link kb or stfu


Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.

any proof they're all incursion runners or just myth??
FuzzyButt
The Lazy Crabs
#23 - 2012-06-07 07:47:43 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Kara Books wrote:


Umad mr banjo?

Whats really astounding is, Why?

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me



Wow really, you pvp in a 1b T3 =D

You must be a really pro pvp-machine!! =))

I hope i too one day can make 500m/hr and fly 1b T3's !!!

=D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-06-07 10:25:46 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Incursions are a new thing.
Nerfing a new thing to balance it with all the old things is hardly 'killing a major part of eve'.
move the fk on.

As a note, go check faction mod prices since the nerf and let me know if you see a trend.
Yes, it probably has a lot to do with being floated on the normal market but it's related.


Tag prices increased again?

The biggest server population spike in the past 2 years is after Incursions got implemented. The biggest server population drop in the past 2 years, excluding Aur scandal, is after Incursions got nerfed.

Expansion too successful? Nerf it!Big smile

evidence??

btw, if you carebears keep claiming doing incursion to "fund" your pvp, link kb or stfu


Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.


Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#25 - 2012-06-07 14:16:46 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.


...I actually had to check the release date as I never thought of playing it myself... but I approve of this post xD

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."
Uinuva Karma
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-07 15:42:15 UTC
So, move L4s to lowsec and incursionbears will form their "communities" again?

LolLolLol

Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec. 
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-07 15:46:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Uinuva Karma wrote:
So, move L4s to lowsec and incursionbears will form their "communities" again?

LolLolLol

120% sure that's exactly what would happen.

edit: not saying it shouldn't happen because **** lvl4s.

I should buy an Ishtar.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#28 - 2012-06-08 01:00:31 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
[quote=Apolyon I]
Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.


Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.


May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing 
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#29 - 2012-06-08 14:03:40 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
[quote=Apolyon I]
Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.


Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.


May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing


*cough*Diablo 3*cough*
Also, if you're unsubbing just because incursions don't bring up so much isk anymore, go ahead, i'll be happy to see the free spots in fleets when I switch to incursions... :P

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#30 - 2012-06-08 15:32:53 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
[quote=Apolyon I]
Go check CCP's official server graph. Too lazy to link it.


Largest drop in subscribers was last summer. The recent drop took place on May 15th. This date doesn't correlate to anything happening in EvE. If only there was a major gaming event that could somehow explain this "diabolical" drop.


May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing


Empty threats. CCP know damn well that you wouldn't dare quit your precious spaceships online - even if you've been forced back to mining veldspar or running sad little level 4 missions. You won't quit. You can't.

The tears of a thousand incursionbears
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#31 - 2012-06-08 15:35:53 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
May 15th was the first mid month date ater the Incursion NERF June 15th is the second & the day I'm considering unsubbing


You're going to unsub because you can't make isk as easily as you used to? Have you considered other options? There are a lot of cool things to do in Eve. If you lack the creativity to get out and find your own way, maybe Eve isn't for you. I hear there are other MMOs that will provide you with instanced on-demand PVE content where no one can interfere and it's easy to put together a group of like-minded carebears.

It would only be fitting that you give me your stuff before you go. After all, I was a part in the efforts to raise awareness about the absurd level of high sec incursion income from the beginning.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#32 - 2012-06-08 17:54:33 UTC
Keiths Incursion thread guide

1. Someone expresses they are sad incuRsions suck
2.floppy tells some boring story about pvp
3. Darth cries
4. Repeat


Ps **** trying to type on iPads

♞
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-09 13:20:22 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Keiths Incursion thread guide

1. Someone expresses they are sad incuRsions suck
2.floppy tells some boring story about pvp
3. Darth cries
4. Repeat


Ps **** trying to type on iPads



Poor Darth, He is so cutw tho!

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Framer Otsada
Silencer corp
#34 - 2012-06-10 07:50:11 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Kara Books wrote:


Umad mr banjo?

Whats really astounding is, Why?

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me


Please tell us where you live to check your 4b archon and 1b T3 . I am sure you dont afraid a carebare like me , you can check my history of 0 kills . LolLol (like people dont have alts .. )
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#35 - 2012-06-10 12:41:24 UTC
Framer Otsada wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
Kara Books wrote:


Umad mr banjo?

Whats really astounding is, Why?

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me


Please tell us where you live to check your 4b archon and 1b T3 . I am sure you dont afraid a carebare like me , you can check my history of 0 kills . LolLol (like people dont have alts .. )


he lives in a c5 wh, start chain collapsing
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#36 - 2012-06-10 17:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Framer Otsada wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
Kara Books wrote:


Umad mr banjo?

Whats really astounding is, Why?

why should I be mad??

I'm making 500m/hr, pvp in 1b T3, making isk in 4b archon, eve life is good for me


Please tell us where you live to check your 4b archon and 1b T3 . I am sure you dont afraid a carebare like me , you can check my history of 0 kills . LolLol (like people dont have alts .. )

I live in J100549, you can visit me any time
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#37 - 2012-06-11 04:36:07 UTC
topper13 Kadeyooh wrote:
* ignores the troll........



you realize by stating that you're ignoring someone, you're not ignoring them right?
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-06-11 06:12:19 UTC
CCP basically undid an entire expansion.


Bravo. Please do the same with Inferno (Does inferno even count as an expansion? Felt like a big patch to me.)

Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-06-11 06:31:55 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
topper13 Kadeyooh wrote:
* ignores the troll........



you realize by stating that you're ignoring someone, you're not ignoring them right?


*ignores excellent comment
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#40 - 2012-06-11 20:14:17 UTC
Zanza Mechonis wrote:
[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Lunkwill Khashour][quote=sabre906][

Also, if you're unsubbing just because incursions don't bring up so much isk anymore, go ahead, i'll be happy to see the free spots in fleets when I switch to incursions... :P


I'm always a FC there will be 10-20 less slots
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
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