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Apocalypse cannot fit T2 Tachyon

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Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#1 - 2012-06-06 06:06:44 UTC
Hello
The Apocalypse Battleship have Excllent bonuses to make him a sniper.
But it is impossible to fit eight T2 Tachyon on it without Reactor Control Unit or Ancillary Curent Router even with all skills at V.

I think it is really strange. It is as if creating a sport car without the place for a good motor.

Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all.

nabort
Chutney Ferret's Mobile Consortium
#2 - 2012-06-06 06:47:58 UTC
Terrible analogy.

You can't expect to put an entire rack of the biggest sup-capital weapons on a battleship without some sacrifices.
Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#3 - 2012-06-06 07:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Cardano Firesnake
Well why creating a ship that cannot fit its natural weapons?
You can easily put 8 tachyon on an Oracle.

Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all.

Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-06-06 07:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
nabort wrote:
Terrible analogy.

You can't expect to put an entire rack of the biggest sup-capital weapons on a battleship without some sacrifices.

I think you should be able to fit them along with tank.

I don't really understand the higher fitting costs for LR Weapons v SR Weapons.
Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#5 - 2012-06-06 07:51:30 UTC
A 150k ehp sniping battleship would be... Oh wait there is one already))
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#6 - 2012-06-06 08:13:47 UTC
Sure, if they lower scorch range to be more in line with other short range weapons. Win some, lose some. Besides on a sniper you can fit them just fine, we've been doing so for years.
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-06 08:49:42 UTC
Buy a Paladin.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-06 08:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Well why creating a ship that cannot fit its natural weapons?
You can easily put 8 tachyon on an Oracle.



even winmatar to set up sniper builds gives up fitting options.


Sniper ='s glass cannon or close to it. Gank or tank, pick one.

As a sniper, range is apart of your tank. YOu are in your optimal or close to it, your enemy is hitting in his far falloff for less damage, if he hits at all. This how I kept rokhs alive on one char. Medium size alpha primary but in the other sides why even bother point in their falloff means it might not be 2 shot instant death.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-06 11:15:54 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Sure, if they lower scorch range to be more in line with other short range weapons. Win some, lose some. Besides on a sniper you can fit them just fine, we've been doing so for years.


Something makes me doubt he's putting Scorch crystals in Tachyon Beam Lasers
Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
#10 - 2012-06-06 12:04:20 UTC
Check how powerful tachyons are compared to other large guns. Really, an apocalypse that lacks any damage bonus can do same damage with tachyons than a maesltrom with ROF bonus! Tachyons are super sized guns are should not be easy to fit.


On an Apoc you can forego range modules since you have an insane range by default. IT becomes not complicated at all to make a reasonable tachyons fit on the glass cannon sniper role (the role that long range guns were intended to fill).


Want proof of tachyosn awesomness.. fit an oracle with tachyons and pay attention on the stupidty of those numbers!
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#11 - 2012-06-06 12:15:09 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Sure, if they lower scorch range to be more in line with other short range weapons. Win some, lose some. Besides on a sniper you can fit them just fine, we've been doing so for years.


Something makes me doubt he's putting Scorch crystals in Tachyon Beam Lasers


Something makes me doubt you got the point.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2012-06-06 13:19:51 UTC
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Hello
The Apocalypse Battleship have Excllent bonuses to make him a sniper.
But it is impossible to fit eight T2 Tachyon on it without Reactor Control Unit or Ancillary Curent Router even with all skills at V.

I think it is really strange. It is as if creating a sport car without the place for a good motor.


This is true for a lot of sniper setups.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Goran Konjich
Krompany
#13 - 2012-06-06 13:26:06 UTC
Seishi Maru wrote:
Want proof of tachyosn awesomness.. fit an oracle with tachyons and pay attention on the stupidty of those numbers!


yea, doing that ... its awesome going 1400m/s and shooting 8 lazors from 80km ... the rats are dead. Big smile

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#14 - 2012-06-06 13:27:32 UTC
Using overpowered and ******** tier 3 battlecruisers in an argument? No way...

Long range weapons are more difficult to fit because back in the days range was a serious advantage and Tachyons are in a class of their own which is why you have to sacrifice tank to fit them. From my memory the dps is about similar to a Mega Pulse...

I am sure the battleships will be rebalanced eventually (after all the T1 frigates, T1 cruisers and T1 Battlecruisers) and it might become a little easier to fit, however don't hold your breath and don't take my word for it ;-) (ccp rather wanna introduce new unbalanced stuff and broken features it seems)

Pinky
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-06 13:51:16 UTC
Pinky Denmark wrote:
From my memory the dps is about similar to a Mega Pulse...


I think the alpha is much higher though.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-06 15:36:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Hello
The Apocalypse Battleship have Excllent bonuses to make him a sniper.
But it is impossible to fit eight T2 Tachyon on it without Reactor Control Unit or Ancillary Curent Router even with all skills at V.

I think it is really strange. It is as if creating a sport car without the place for a good motor.


You can fit all tachs with a very small trade off that is a simple fitting mod, it's a very fair trade.

Try to fit a full rack 425mm sniper Megathron and watch out your ship cap deplete just firing with no other active mod. However there's no hybrids equivalent to Tachs or we would need 725mm, you fit a gun and the poor thing would blow it self at the first shot Lol

brb

Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#17 - 2012-06-06 16:41:00 UTC
Tachyons are a weapon class to themselves. They deal near megapulse DPS at 40+30km range with multifrequency. Yeah they're hard to fit, but on the ships that do fit them well, they tear everything up.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-06 17:01:36 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Sure, if they lower scorch range to be more in line with other short range weapons. Win some, lose some. Besides on a sniper you can fit them just fine, we've been doing so for years.


That would make already overpowered Barrage even more powerful.
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-06 17:05:00 UTC
Oh No! I Can't Fit a full rack of [Highest Tier Weapon] and [High PG Use Mod] and [Other High PG Use Mod] on [Ship] without [Fitting Mod]
Buff! BUUFFFF!

In all seriousness, thats the POINT of higher Tier Weapons - You need to make Sacrifices in exchange for better performance.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-06-06 17:07:21 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Sure, if they lower scorch range to be more in line with other short range weapons. Win some, lose some. Besides on a sniper you can fit them just fine, we've been doing so for years.


Something makes me doubt he's putting Scorch crystals in Tachyon Beam Lasers


Something makes me doubt you got the point.

Then you should explain better than "this should be nerfed for no reason".
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