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worm hole c3s and amarr
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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-09 19:33:54 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Gotta love this thread.Lol

Here you go CCP, as if you didn't already know, yet more feedback evidence in a non shocker, considering the advantages of shield tanking, system affects, HML and heavy missile range with dps, sleeper coding, etc. - WHs are filled with Drakes and Tengus

But it has already been years of this.Straight

Oh hey, maybe you can design another vast new pve environment that also favors these ships.


The Legion is still very good at Vanguards.

On a somewhat related note, can you run C2's in a zealot or harby?
Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#22 - 2012-06-09 23:21:53 UTC
I dont know anything about legion fits tbh, but as a rule of thumb I reckon you could count around 300dps per BS for sleepers. So for a 2 bs site you'd need a 600 dps tank + a little something for the cruisers and the frigates that are in the site.

I think that range might become somehwat of a problem too though when you want to solo in a wh. Because the sleepers web the hell out of you ( and neut to a lesser extend). We have someone in a proteus thats doing sites and it's good for group work but it's hard to solo sites because of the limited range and the webs.

on a side note, if you're looking for a wh corp then drop me a mail ingame. I'm living in a c4 wh with a c3 static. We could help you to get going in the wh and help you make more then enough isk for a plex each month
Windorian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-06-10 05:28:23 UTC
Legion works just fine for C3 sites. Compared to a Tengu though (As many in this thread have done) it has a very different role.

First off, i don't know WHO takes 12 minutes to run a C3 anom in a Tengu. Really.

I can solo Fort's in 6 minutes, and even outposts (The highest HP site for sleepers) i can do in about 10 minutes. If it's taking you 15 minutes to run a site in a C3, you are in a drake, or flying your T3 wrong.

The legion will never have the same DPS application as a tengu, and it takes considerably longer to run C3's in a Legion then a tengu. It does do it in a reasonable amount of time though (9 minute forts, 16 minute outposts). This has less to do with DPS, and more to do with DPS APPLICATION.

A legion has to fly to it's targets, get them withing falloff/optimal, and hope they get good hits. When the target falls, they start over, lining up the shot, and widdling them down. A Legions max effective range is never going to be more then 50km (Notice, i said EFFECTIVE range, i know they can hit further, but it's for peanuts). A Tengu on the other hand, can land on field, lock targets 100km out, and begin firing immeadiately.

This gives the Tengu a HUGE damage application boost over the legion.

There is one area where the Legion far outpaces the Tengu though, and that's killing frigs. We normally keep atleast 1 Legion in fleet, just to take out frigs. In the time it takes my 680 DPs tengu to kill one frigate, my buddy in a 450 DPS Legion has already killed 3. Lasers just do much better vs the small frigs then heavy missiles do.

If you are in a C2 or C1, a Legion will actually be a much better choice and will clear sites much faster then a Tengu. For C3, the Tengu is better, but Legion's are no slouch. You also don't NEED the shiniest of fits, but it does make a big difference in performance.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#24 - 2012-06-10 09:25:25 UTC
Windorian, do you mind sharing your C3 tengu fit?
Windorian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-11 04:16:12 UTC
2 Main fits i use, depending on how gank vs tank i wanna go

Highs:
6 HML T2

Mids:
1 Caldari navy adaptive
1 T2 adaptive
1 Pithi C-type EM hardener
2 Pithi C type shield boost amps
1 Pithi A type SMALL shield booster (Yes, i use a frigate sized booster)

Lows:
4 CN Ballistics

Rigs:
1 T2 CCC
1 T2 rigor
1 T2 flare

Current skills, implants, etc. (Not including overheat)

DPS Fury / CN 682 / 614
Tank (Omni) 662
Cap 37% cap stable.

The rigor AND flare mix makes this thing hit like a truck. The tank was sufficient, though i did have oh @#$% moments when initally big spawns primaried me. Cap was also not very nuet resistant though that was only a problem in rdr/mags.

Eventually i Modifed and Swapped the Flare for a Shield Cap safegaurd
Changed 4th BCU for Cap power relay
Changed Shield booster to a Pith Medium A

New stats:

DPS Unchanged, though frigates take noticable longer due to removal of flare
Tank : 1041 DPS (Omni)
Cap 46% cap stable
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