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Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#121 - 2012-06-05 15:57:24 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

*lol*
We can't ride ponys in EVE, therefore it's not a sandbox?

Okay ...

[ EVE is neigher allmighty, nor unlimited. But despite that it has a wide range of possible activities (game content) within the given boundaries -> sandbox ]
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#122 - 2012-06-05 17:08:09 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.
So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.
Non sequitur.
It's a sandbox regardless of whether you can or should train everything.

Ban Bindy wrote:
The players with a nine-year training advantage aren't about to give that up.
Here's the thing: nine years of training doesn't give you much in the way of advantage, compared to, say, one or two years. It's the assumption that it does that spawns these kinds of threads, and it's the inaccuracy of this assumption that makes the threads so bad.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#123 - 2012-06-05 17:19:45 UTC
Over 6 years into this game and I still have many things to look forwards to when I get done training them. Name another MMO that offers you that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#124 - 2012-06-05 17:21:41 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.


Of course it is.

Now if you choose to spend your time in the sandbox making a futile attempt to count each grain of sand, that is your problem. There are no promises made that you will be able to succeed.

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Warpshade
Warped Industries
#125 - 2012-06-05 17:26:22 UTC
confirming all skills should only take 30minutes to train.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2012-06-05 17:29:25 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
The point is that they want you to buy multiple accounts.


CCP is a business, not a charity.


I never said it was bad. I just said it was.

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Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#127 - 2012-06-05 17:33:36 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2012-06-05 18:09:41 UTC
considering i started training stuff i wont ever use.. like carriers on my main... no the skill training doesnt take to long. I say it is pretty spot onwith the removal of the learning skills, those where just a grind you had to endure. Now, i think.. yeah im happy with how it works.

and my main only has 50 mill or so SP. and yet she is done with what i am using her for.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#129 - 2012-06-05 18:18:12 UTC
Well... I for one think skills are lame and should be removed outright. This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. ...and it's a needless limiting factor imho. There will be a limit. If eve makes it another decade I would bet good money skills will be removed altogether.

'course maybe CCP will get to the point of being sick of the b****ing on the forums and just say "meh EvE as a service ends tomorrow... get ready for EvE 2 next month!" Global reset. Who knows...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#130 - 2012-06-05 18:19:35 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

you sound mad, fyi, I have 120m sp, jelly??


Not when you see the clone costTwisted
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#131 - 2012-06-05 18:20:33 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Well... I for one think skills are lame and should be removed outright. This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting. ...and it's a needless limiting factor imho. There will be a limit. If eve makes it another decade I would bet good money skills will be removed altogether.

'course maybe CCP will get to the point of being sick of the b****ing on the forums and just say "meh EvE as a service ends tomorrow... get ready for EvE 2 next month!" Global reset. Who knows...


Then what do we have to look forwards to?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#132 - 2012-06-05 18:37:49 UTC
Gogela wrote:
This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting.
Fortunately, it's also not “skill training, the game”, so the actual game is still about doing stuff.

…well, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really).
Rustling
Doomheim
#133 - 2012-06-05 18:53:20 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

on the gameplay side the rationale is that EVE is all about meaningful trade-offs and that forced specialization encourages cooperation between players.


You mean alt accounts right?
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-06-05 19:44:37 UTC
you obviously haven't had teenagers, nothing (no one's) sane at 18 :P If you didn't want people to suggest that you're saying you want to train all the skills, perhaps you shouldn't have compared the skill training system to training everything, which apparently takes 18 years (although that totally explains why there aren't any grown ups in Eve....) Anyway the point is, the system is one thing, training absolutely everything - quite another. Hence your fallacious argument.

And boo. So it takes RL time to train. I'm having fun my hubby's still having fun (after 7 years). You don't wait til skills are done to have fun.

Besides it's good to have a goal.

NB - trolling is not a goal.

It's just something to do when you could be playing Eve. (Unless you're a miner, then I totally get the troll, but watch that afk bro!)
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#135 - 2012-06-05 19:46:48 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

If it takes 18+ years to train everything to level [5] then remember that it only takes about three years to train everything to level [4],

Now, granted that's not entirely possible as certain skills has prerequisite skills required at level [5] but they are in the distinct minority. I would imagine that even training all of those pre-reqs (note that's skill pre-reqs, not ship pre-reqs) still wouldn't bring the total above four years.

If you can have every single skill in the game to [4] in four years and could therefore do almost everything in the game just a little less efficiently than the Devs then how does that require a shortening of training time? Especially as those who have chosen to specialise will have already maxed out their chosen specialisation and are diversifying?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#136 - 2012-06-05 19:49:45 UTC
Gerald Taric wrote:
Twulf wrote:
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.

*lol*
We can't ride ponys in EVE, therefore it's not a sandbox?

Okay ...

[ EVE is neigher allmighty, nor unlimited. But despite that it has a wide range of possible activities (game content) within the given boundaries -> sandbox ]

I see what you did there.

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Revajin
Doomheim
#137 - 2012-06-05 19:54:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Gogela wrote:
This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting.
Fortunately, it's also not “skill training, the game”, so the actual game is still about doing stuff.

…well, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really).


All your core skills must be V before you leave your starter station. Also you shouldn't pvp until you have at least 30 million skillpoints, you must only use Hurricanes, with all related defense and gunnery skills at V, you have to use the most expensive modules on the market, and solo pvp will get you killed every time so you have to be in a fleet with lots of other Canes to make sure you'll survive.
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#138 - 2012-06-05 20:23:28 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Gerald Taric wrote:
[...]
ponys
[...]
neigher
I see what you did there.

hm ... i don't understand ... apart from the typing error for "neither" ...
Svarek
#139 - 2012-06-05 20:24:17 UTC
100 or so years is too short to live life.
Man, I wish I had a few extra centuries so I could learn to do everything.

Whoops.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-06-05 20:32:50 UTC
Revajin wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Gogela wrote:
This game is billed as a game "about doing stuff"... training skills isn't doing stuff. It's waiting.
Fortunately, it's also not “skill training, the game”, so the actual game is still about doing stuff.

…well, unless you listen to the griefers in newbie corp chats who squawk on about how you must train everything to V before doing anything (which should be a bannable offense, really).


All your core skills must be V before you leave your starter station. Also you shouldn't pvp until you have at least 30 million skillpoints, you must only use Hurricanes, with all related defense and gunnery skills at V, you have to use the most expensive modules on the market, and solo pvp will get you killed every time so you have to be in a fleet with lots of other Canes to make sure you'll survive.


Umm I think I messed something up.
I like to fly a Intercepters.
My clone is worth more then the ship and fittings combined LolLolLol

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