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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-06-05 12:28:46 UTC
Marcus Ichiro wrote:
Training everything isn't the point. The point is that you're supposed to specialise.




The point is that they want you to buy multiple accounts.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#102 - 2012-06-05 12:29:47 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:



ONE WORD REPLIES TO OTHER PEOPLES POSTS CONSISTING OF VARIATIONS OF THE WORD YES


LOTS AND LOTS OF RAMPANT STUPIDITY

MORE DRIBBLE

All I am proposing is that the max training time be set to what the highest SP character has plus 1 month.

After compressing all the skills down proportionately players are reimbursed SP accordingly.

After the SP reimbursement the highest SP player would have only 1 month left of training to do and then would run out of things to train.

Whenever a new skill is to be added all other skills get compressed proportionately a little bit and the new skill is shimmied in. Of course all players will be reimbursed their SP from the compression. If the player in question was previously maxed out then all he/she has to do is apply the reimbursed to the new skill and once again the player in question will be maxed out.

All I want is for CCP to establish a maximum training time and stick with it. The maximum of course decided by the max SP character so as to not alienate veterans.



There is no need, at all, whatsoever, for training times to be compressed. All your ideas are worthless, it's just that most people here are too polite to actually come right out and say it. Your idea is dumb, this thread is dumb and you should feel dumb for having done it. The fact that you don't understand WHY we don't need or want skill times reduced means that any further discussion with you on this topic is as pointless as two bald men fighting over a comb.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#103 - 2012-06-05 12:38:17 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:
All I am proposing is that the max training time be set to what the highest SP character has plus 1 month.
After compressing all the skills down proportionately players are reimbursed SP accordingly.
After the SP reimbursement the highest SP player would have only 1 month left of training to do and then would run out of things to train.
…and the question remains: why?

What you're proposing makes no sense. It doesn't solve any problems. Having a “max training time” is not “sane” (quite the opposite). All you're doing is devaluing years worth of SP for no good reason and frustrating those who have spent those years to get there. You're effectively removing the planning, specialisation, and decision-making properties of the skill system, all because you are a bit impatient and/or don't think things through before picking the skills you train.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2012-06-05 12:46:35 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
The point is that they want you to buy multiple accounts.


CCP is a business, not a charity.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Neftaran
Dread Guard
#105 - 2012-06-05 13:54:39 UTC
This way they force a player that enjoys the game to purchase multiple accounts. This 'game' is super niche and does not attract volumes of customers so they must offset it somehow.
Bloutok
Perkone
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-06-05 14:05:24 UTC
Cry Baby: They nerfed my super specialized toon. I want my SP back Cry

Troll: Eve is hard. Can i have your stuff ? Evil
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#107 - 2012-06-05 14:10:33 UTC
Quote:
on the gameplay side the rationale is that EVE is all about meaningful trade-offs and that forced specialization encourages cooperation between players.


Though the reality is of course people just wind up with 2+ accounts and various specialized non-training alts. Which I'm not necessarily saying is a bad thing, but it has to be acknowledged in any discussion on the subject.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#108 - 2012-06-05 14:17:02 UTC
Neftaran wrote:
This way they force a player that enjoys the game to purchase multiple accounts. This 'game' is super niche and does not attract volumes of customers so they must offset it somehow.



From 10 ive left 2 that will end in a single one once I've reached my goal with second char. It's tedious enough.

brb
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#109 - 2012-06-05 14:23:54 UTC
I want to go to college and get a degree in EVERYTHING! MAKE COLLEGE SHORTER KKTHXBAI?!
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Cap'in Haddock
Haddock's Legitimate Trading
#110 - 2012-06-05 14:24:56 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:

After the SP reimbursement the highest SP player would have only 1 month left of training to do and then would run out of things to train.


Running out of things to train?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#111 - 2012-06-05 14:29:54 UTC
Ideally you should never run out of things to train for, new skills to try and attain.

This applies both in and out of game.

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Widow Cain
#112 - 2012-06-05 14:35:11 UTC
I think it [training] is just about perfect time wise. If I had gained faster I would not be able to afford the ships I could fly and would not know the things I need to know so I would just get blown up frustrated and not be here.

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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#113 - 2012-06-05 14:51:42 UTC
The "don't change Eve it's perfect" crowd always comes out in force when this idea is proposed. The players with a nine-year training advantage aren't about to give that up. Eve is hard and should be harder. That's the only answer you'll ever get from this crowd.
c4 t
Cosmic Psychedelics
#114 - 2012-06-05 14:53:04 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:
The time it takes to train everything in EVE to it's maximum base potential doesn't seem very sane really. Isn't 18+ years of training a bit much?

Simple suggestion: Take the character with the most SP and add 1 month's worth of SP on top of that. Now compress the time it takes to complete all skills to level V proportionately so that it equals that character's total training plus 1 month. After doing that give back the total SP lost in compressing all those skill times. Of course, you would do this for everyone.

Doing this will reduce everyone's training time without alienating those of the highest SP level.

I think this is an equitable suggestion and will help bring about a saner EVE.

Maybe it will help EVE out of beta a little bit too...


**** you go away. This is exactly the kind of mentality we don't need in EVE.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#115 - 2012-06-05 14:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Ban Bindy wrote:
The "don't change Eve it's perfect" crowd always comes out in force when this idea is proposed. The players with a nine-year training advantage aren't about to give that up. Eve is hard and should be harder. That's the only answer you'll ever get from this crowd.


Urban myth's are fun aren't they...

A 9 month old character can do the things he is specialized in just as well as I can, I can merely do a wider variety of things. Since I can't fly more than one ship at the same time, that's not much of an advantage now is it.

If you find yourself losing to an older character, it usually has little to do with his experience point total. I suppose it is nice to have something to blame your failure on that the uneducated will readily believe.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#116 - 2012-06-05 15:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Meh... get 18 alts and you could do it all in year :P

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#117 - 2012-06-05 15:08:22 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
How do you reduce the time it takes to train skills in general without reducing the time it takes to get to level 5? Without increasing the multiplier for level 5, reducing training time will impact that 18 years figure.

You could implement a system where you gain skills rapidly at first, slow down after a while, and then slow to a crawl after a certain mark. It would be an extension of the current skill training philosophy, but based around total skill points instead of specific skills.

You could give specialization bonuses based around combat, industry, science, etc. If you're interested in training ship skills and that's almost all you do, then you train at an increased speed, but if you've specialized at ship skills and then try industry skills, it takes you longer than someone who's specialized in industry.

Those are just two systems but I could think of a couple more if your goal is to speed up training in individual skills while keeping an 18-year total for maxing all skills.

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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-06-05 15:10:16 UTC
bad post

1. the long training time means you have tough choices on what to train for
2. the long training time means there is no end-game in regards to training
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#119 - 2012-06-05 15:20:07 UTC
Martin0 wrote:
Eve is about specialization.
You are NOT supposed to train everything.


So confirming EvE is NOT a Sandbox then. End of Debate. Thanks for playing.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#120 - 2012-06-05 15:21:02 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
The "don't change Eve it's perfect" crowd always comes out in force when this idea is proposed. The players with a nine-year training advantage aren't about to give that up. Eve is hard and should be harder. That's the only answer you'll ever get from this crowd.


"This crowd" is the EvE Online players, you know, the people that CCP makes the game for.

Now, on the other hand, "your crowd" is the theme parkers whiners that have quit EvE months ago but still post every single day.

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