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Solo 4 Raven/NCR ?
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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-05 04:43:25 UTC
I can't seem to find a good fit for a Solo Passive tank lvl 4 Raven or NCR on battleclinic, does anyone know a good one? or can link me to somewhere I can find one?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#2 - 2012-06-05 04:49:47 UTC
Passive Raven? lol. Drake does passive tank better than Raven. Just takes a bit longer to kill the rats. For a stock Raven I prefer an X-large shield booster w/ high resists, large cap booster w/800s, and a shield boost amp. Cruise missiles and drones means I don't need target painters or missile rigs.

If you're determined to use a passive-tanked battleship, get a Rattlesnake.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2012-06-05 04:56:28 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Passive Raven? lol. Drake does passive tank better than Raven. Just takes a bit longer to kill the rats. For a stock Raven I prefer an X-large shield booster w/ high resists, large cap booster w/800s, and a shield boost amp. Cruise missiles and drones means I don't need target painters or missile rigs.

If you're determined to use a passive-tanked battleship, get a Rattlesnake.


cruise missiles do indeed need missile rigs (rigors) and target painters. especially fury missiles, although using t1 I guess you could get by, but you'd still do better with rigors + tp.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2012-06-05 05:05:38 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
I can't seem to find a good fit for a Solo Passive tank lvl 4 Raven or NCR on battleclinic


That's because there's no such thing. You can force a Navy Scorp into a passive fit though it's still kind of ****. Rattlesnake will do it, but for most purposes it's also better off active tanked. Ravens just don't work well in passive configs period.
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-05 05:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Torigoma
So Raven is more of a DPS ship than a Tank? In that case whats a good set up for a lvl Raven then?

EDIT: or at least a good lvl 4 passive Drake set up, lol
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#6 - 2012-06-05 09:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
No a raven tanks just fine, the problem is that you choose to use a tanking type that just doesn't translate too well to most battleships. The majority of shield PVE BS active tank and in the case of cruise ships you REALLY want those rigor rigs (as stated above) so no crappy purger or CCC fits.


Something like this (CNR fits the same way really):

[Raven, LVL 4 Guristas]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
stoicfaux
#7 - 2012-06-05 15:27:52 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
I can't seem to find a good fit for a Solo Passive tank lvl 4 Raven or NCR on battleclinic, does anyone know a good one? or can link me to somewhere I can find one?

Idiot Check: Do you really mean passive tank (relying completely on passive shield regeneration) or do you actually mean a perma-boosted tank (have an active shield booster always running?)

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-05 18:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rath Kelbore
Torigoma wrote:
So Raven is more of a DPS ship than a Tank? In that case whats a good set up for a lvl Raven then?

EDIT: or at least a good lvl 4 passive Drake set up, lol


Can you afford a deadspace med booster? If so, get one, like a pith c type(pretty cheap), 3 hardeners, target painter, cruise missiles, bcs, damage control maybe, rigor/flare rigs. If i'm missing any slots you can figure it out not doubt.

Edit:

If you can't afford the booster, go with the x-large booster with a cap booster 800's, I hate messing with them though so on the rare occasions that I run missions, I use a med deadspace.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-05 19:28:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
Not a raven but I'm the laziest man alive so I use this: -

Scorpion Navy issue

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II

Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

15 x Hobgoblin II

Vital stats: -
resists 80, 84, 88, 81
376 dps (fairly poor but I don't care)
816 hp shield boost every 5 seconds
cap stable.
I've sat in a level 4 tanking EVERYTHING in the room easily. and the recharge rate is quick enough even with 2 frig neuts on me it didn't knock me off stable.
And depending on mission you can drop the amp and fit something else.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-05 22:16:34 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Passive Raven? lol.

+1

Passive Ravens die in the missions. I learned that the hard way.

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Eat dessert first!
Kalli Brixzat
#11 - 2012-06-06 02:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalli Brixzat
Vilnius Zar wrote:
No a raven tanks just fine, the problem is that you choose to use a tanking type that just doesn't translate too well to most battleships. The majority of shield PVE BS active tank and in the case of cruise ships you REALLY want those rigor rigs (as stated above) so no crappy purger or CCC fits.


Something like this (CNR fits the same way really):

[Raven, LVL 4 Guristas]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Fine fit, except for a few things:

1. If you need a cap booster, your skills aren't high enough.
2. If you need a CPU mod, your skills aren't high enough.
3. Ditch the XLSB...replace with faction/navy LSB. You'll get more up-time with it for high aggro situations.
4. Don't leave empty slots...EVER. Fit a Drone Link or Salvager in that extra high slot.

Edit:

5. The 4th BCU is a waste. stock Raven DPS isn't high enough to warrant the stupid penalties on a 4th BCU.
6. Target Painter. Use one.

Optional: Replace one of the Rigors with a CCC for more cap = boost = tank
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#12 - 2012-06-06 03:27:30 UTC
All of what Kalli said is generally wrong, cap boosters are an excellent way to deal with all cap issues with a single mod, sure with good skills you wont need it most of the time, but some missions need the cap booster.

CPU mod is required on a Raven if you T2 fit it, best way is to get a DG X-Large as it's pretty cheap and frees up alot of cpu, to ditch the co-pro. Don't use a Large, and XL is preferred for burst tanking which is what you'll be doing.

Leaving empty slots is fine as long as you have whats important, DLAs are generally not needed on a Raven because of the range it has, it also takes alot of CPU which is short on the Raven, fit one only if you have CPU to spare.

4th BCU is better than most things you'll put there, maybe a DCU II if you want extra tank while you get used to L4s, though its not needed and will fit into the utility low with 4 BCUs anyway (should be a signal amplifier or ECCM)
Kalli Brixzat
#13 - 2012-06-06 03:36:19 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
All of what Kalli said is generally wrong, cap boosters are an excellent way to deal with all cap issues with a single mod, sure with good skills you wont need it most of the time, but some missions need the cap booster.

CPU mod is required on a Raven if you T2 fit it, best way is to get a DG X-Large as it's pretty cheap and frees up alot of cpu, to ditch the co-pro. Don't use a Large, and XL is preferred for burst tanking which is what you'll be doing.

Leaving empty slots is fine as long as you have whats important, DLAs are generally not needed on a Raven because of the range it has, it also takes alot of CPU which is short on the Raven, fit one only if you have CPU to spare.

4th BCU is better than most things you'll put there, maybe a DCU II if you want extra tank while you get used to L4s, though its not needed and will fit into the utility low with 4 BCUs anyway (should be a signal amplifier or ECCM)


I, obviously, could not disagree more. The Raven is capable of solo-running any L4 without a cap booster if properly skilled/fit.

But, to be completely honest, get into a CNR or SNI as soon as motherfucking possible. Then faceroll your way to isk.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#14 - 2012-06-06 04:29:57 UTC
lol, minus a few names on a few mods i use a very similar fit on mine, and i must say, 784 dps is no slouch. and with a signal amp in low you can get 112km lock and fire range. if that doesnt help you clobber some lvl 4s i dont know what will

kill em all.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#15 - 2012-06-06 07:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Kalli Brixzat wrote:


Fine fit, except for a few things:

1. If you need a cap booster, your skills aren't high enough.
2. If you need a CPU mod, your skills aren't high enough.
3. Ditch the XLSB...replace with faction/navy LSB. You'll get more up-time with it for high aggro situations.
4. Don't leave empty slots...EVER. Fit a Drone Link or Salvager in that extra high slot.

Edit:

5. The 4th BCU is a waste. stock Raven DPS isn't high enough to warrant the stupid penalties on a 4th BCU.
6. Target Painter. Use one.

Optional: Replace one of the Rigors with a CCC for more cap = boost = tank


Disagree.


1 the cap booster is one midslot for all your cap needs instead of using more lows and rigs. That means you can use all your lows for dps and all your rigs for rigor rigs. NOT using a cap boosted fit means you do sub par dps. Cap boosted fits are also less dependant on super trained cap related skills which newbies might/will not have. People have this weird idea that cap boosted fit isn't for newbies while in fact it is
2 you need a cpu mod because this is a T2 non-faction fit, would you start using faction shield booster and BCS you don't need the co-pro. Fits get better and easier if you use faction/deadspace but using them in a fit for someone who's obviously new to it all is a bit over the top don't you think?
3 sure but it's not needed at all, navy has the same efficiency as a T2 and you don't really need more burst tank therefore it's logical to leave it T2 to show people that it works fine, then they can decide for themselves to swap to faction or not
4 CPU issues, you might have heard of them

5 it adds 5% dps overall, 5% is 5% whichever way you look at it. Especially as there's not something logical to fit in its place anyway
6 no need. the fit has rigors. Also painters are annoying to use and to make them really work you need to have 2 to make up for cycle time issues

Optional: no losing rigors means losing applied dps, you could try and make up for that with a painter but then you'd have to paint each and every sub BC target, every time you want to shoot one. Dunno about you but that sounds horribly annoying.


All your points effectively state "I don't want to use a cap booster because it's annoying. Instead I'll happily lower my dps in order to be more stable and then use a painter which is more than annoying to use than a cap booster". Doesn't make sense :)
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-06 08:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Torigoma wrote:
I can't seem to find a good fit for a Solo Passive tank lvl 4 Raven or NCR on battleclinic, does anyone know a good one? or can link me to somewhere I can find one?


You completely missed the point of CNR. The ship is ment to have maximum possible damage output at adequate tank for level 4 missions. You never, ever, EVER passive tank it. Ever. In fact, even cap stable CNR is mostly looked at as a fail fit.


Read this for more.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-06 08:56:01 UTC
As said Caldari missile Battleships aren't realy Passive tank friendly.

It's a common mistake since a lot of people come from the Drake.

I'd advice you to try out the Raven for a while then go to the Scorpion Navy Isue that one comes closest to the asurance the passive Drake give.

I fly mine like this

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I

CN X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II (800 boosters)
Mission specific Hardener
Mission specific Hardener
Mission specific Hardener / Domination 100MN Afterburner (With higher skills/mods you can ditch the 3rd hardener)
Republic target painter
Republic target painter

CN Balistic controle unit
CN Balistic controle unit
CN Balistic controle unit
CN Balistic controle unit

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst

5x Hobgoblin 2
5x Hammerhead 2


Should get you past every L4 mission without trouble
Kalli Brixzat
#18 - 2012-06-06 17:15:47 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Kalli Brixzat wrote:


Fine fit, except for a few things:

1. If you need a cap booster, your skills aren't high enough.
2. If you need a CPU mod, your skills aren't high enough.
3. Ditch the XLSB...replace with faction/navy LSB. You'll get more up-time with it for high aggro situations.
4. Don't leave empty slots...EVER. Fit a Drone Link or Salvager in that extra high slot.

Edit:

5. The 4th BCU is a waste. stock Raven DPS isn't high enough to warrant the stupid penalties on a 4th BCU.
6. Target Painter. Use one.

Optional: Replace one of the Rigors with a CCC for more cap = boost = tank


-snip-

All your points effectively state "I don't want to use a cap booster because it's annoying. Instead I'll happily lower my dps in order to be more stable and then use a painter which is more than annoying to use than a cap booster". Doesn't make sense :)


Yes, cap boosters are annoying; and, yes, TP's are annoying. A lot of things in EvE are annoying necessities. That's the nature of the game...window-lickers and facerollers generally need not apply.

The reason I don't like cap boosters is because, generally, using one means you don't have the skills to be doing what you're doing. Training approximately five Cap- and Shield-based skills to V doesn't take long. Once you do that, things like cap boosters become unnecessary.

I understand that new players probably don't have that...but that doesn't change the fact that they should. TB100%H, new players are precisely the ones that need to properly train into ships before flying them. New players are better served staying in their DRAEK for much longer than most of them do.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-07 07:50:33 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
The reason I don't like cap boosters is because, generally, using one means you don't have the skills to be doing what you're doing. Training approximately five Cap- and Shield-based skills to V doesn't take long. Once you do that, things like cap boosters become unnecessary.



Actualy I've Cap ad Shield skills on V.

and a cap Booster gives me the possibility to run even more than that in small burst.