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Whats the deal with incursions??
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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-04 14:00:20 UTC
I've been gone for a while and I've came back recently to learn that they nerfed incursions.

The general consensus on these forums seems to be that NOBODY does incursions anymore because they suck?

Are they really that bad? Or are people exaggerating?


I found them a fun way to make money, I would never run missions but I could live with incursions. What do people do to make money now? Is it still incursions or did everybody go back to level 4s?
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#2 - 2012-06-04 14:52:36 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
I've been gone for a while and I've came back recently to learn that they nerfed incursions.

The general consensus on these forums seems to be that NOBODY does incursions anymore because they suck?

Are they really that bad? Or are people exaggerating?


I found them a fun way to make money, I would never run missions but I could live with incursions. What do people do to make money now? Is it still incursions or did everybody go back to level 4s?


Incursions where good on one end that it gave ALLOT of people something to do.
on the other hand, its good that the incursions are now gone, because ships and officer fittings are now worth something.

I usto see allot of new players losing shiny ships, billion ISK ships because people had allot of ISK to just throw away, now battleships and tech 2 ships are valuable possession, Pirate ships are once again some ones "baby", this I strongly believe is the way its suposto be.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-06-04 15:09:22 UTC
Honestly, Incursions were nerfed, but from what I heard they weren't completely nuked, just brought down to lvl 4-ish income. And then a lot of people decided they would rather grind lvl 4s solo instead of teaming up for Incursions. They're not bad, just not as crazy blitz-able as they were before.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-06-04 15:55:23 UTC
Basically, it comes down to this: if you have a group of people you want to do highsec PVE with, do incursions. If you don't want to bother with playing with other people for your PVE, do missions. Incursions are now truly for those who want the social experience, rather than those who want the isk.

Best isk is still in w-space.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Solomunio Kzenig
The Intrinsic Ones
#5 - 2012-06-04 16:57:50 UTC
Pretty much what has been said above.......however there is still reasonable money to be made in Incursions, better than lvl4's if you are in a good community and run Assaults and HQ's at low influence, its not the old Incursions where you could blitz and make shedloads of ISK. Also the social and cimmunity aspect of Incursions is still a major draw for people.
Spineker
#6 - 2012-06-04 17:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Basically CCP wasted all the energy to make them introduced them without any real testing on the economy then found out they totally screwed up. Now Incursion will go the way of Faction Warfare did, they should never have allowed the constant camping of some of the Vanguards etc. Was stupid and the nerf had to happen unfortunately was a huge screwup by CCP. Everyone knew they were broke they as typical kneejerked and wasted the whole system.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#7 - 2012-06-04 18:13:05 UTC
Vanguards was "fixed" in a manner which made them less interesting than solo lvl4 missions and many other forms of effortless money farm.

Still there are one-two-three fleets running and you can get into them if you have few hours to waste in chat while waiting for open spot and invitation.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-04 20:30:10 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Honestly, Incursions were nerfed, but from what I heard they weren't completely nuked, just brought down to lvl 4-ish income. And then a lot of people decided they would rather grind lvl 4s solo instead of teaming up for Incursions. They're not bad, just not as crazy blitz-able as they were before.


The nerf itself isn't a nuke. But there are now so few people running incursions that it takes hours to get a fleet. Positive feedback - the nerf reinforces upon itself to form a nuke. No one in their right mind will wait hours for lvl 4 income. Few have the large enough chunk of free time to try.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#9 - 2012-06-04 20:40:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Spineker wrote:
Basically CCP wasted all the energy to make them introduced them without any real testing on the economy then found out they totally screwed up. Now Incursion will go the way of Faction Warfare did, they should never have allowed the constant camping of some of the Vanguards etc. Was stupid and the nerf had to happen unfortunately was a huge screwup by CCP. Everyone knew they were broke they as typical kneejerked and wasted the whole system.


I recall CCP Affinity saying she wanted to avoid kneejerk reactions but the lack of analysing testing feedback from SiSi ( like the SiSi UI feedback ignoring )of the Escalation nerf looks to be a kneejerk reation.
Now Null sec/ Lo SEC communities are pretty much dead (Razor last weekend almost cracked 70% in my journal)
The HI sec community probably won't last a few more weeks.

A few quick adjustments before the inevitable Inferno bugs bogged down the DEV's was necessary but all I see was a waffle then a closed thread. Maybe selected increased payouts of the OTA's & NCN could of stemmed some of the bleeding & quickly changed easily enough without a mechanics change.

I doubt now CCP has the time for anything but knee jerk reactions now before the HI SEC community fizzles out more
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-05 03:53:45 UTC
PVE for the most parts is something that you have to do ... not something you want to do. Why risk that 2-3bil ship to nonskilled or just clueless logi pilots on every site when you can get similar income levels from level 4 missions.

The problem is that the L4's are soulsucking terrible grind but atleast the only real risk comes from suicide gankers.

risk vs reward ... incursions are quite crap now.
effort vs reward ... incursions are quite crap now.
If you have about 2h to play each time ... you might not even get a fleet in that time ... on a proper blinged ship. That will leave you with 0isk/h income. L4s you can atleast get on doing from the getgo.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#11 - 2012-06-05 13:55:42 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
[quote=mxzf] there are now so few people running incursions that it takes hours to get a fleet.

I've always felt that the notion of pickup fleets was contrary to the design of Eve. Find a group that plays in your time zone and work with them on a regular basis. Make some friends instead of just grabbing random strangers.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#12 - 2012-06-05 13:59:51 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
PVE for the most parts is something that you have to do ... not something you want to do.


I disagree. I know quite a few people that do it exclusively. Frankly I don't understand how they still do it after more than a year of shooting the same red pluses over and over, but they really do like putting together a few friends and jumping into a level 4 or--if they can muster the fleet--an incursion.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-05 14:45:25 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
[quote=mxzf] there are now so few people running incursions that it takes hours to get a fleet.

I've always felt that the notion of pickup fleets was contrary to the design of Eve. Find a group that plays in your time zone and work with them on a regular basis. Make some friends instead of just grabbing random strangers.


There were lots of such groups before the nerf. Now that everyone's moved on, all that's left are empty channels. They were hit far harder than pugs.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-05 18:35:12 UTC
Well this blows.


Now there seems to be no way to make money that DOESN'T suck.

lol.


I saw a forum post made by CCP soundwave that said he might un-nerf the income of incursions.

Do you guys think that is going to happen? And if it does, will it bring people back to incursions?
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#15 - 2012-06-05 19:06:01 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:

Do you guys think that is going to happen? And if it does, will it bring people back to incursions?

I hope they'll do it. I'm pretty sure people will go back to doing incursions - depending on how much they un-nerf it, ofc.

P. S. The problem with new incursion is not as much lower ISK/hr as boredom, if you ask me. No action and no challenge. And too low a reward for spending time on that. Missions are way more fun, really (at least I now see mission fleets on a daily basis).
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#16 - 2012-06-08 18:18:42 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
I've been gone for a while and I've came back recently to learn that they nerfed incursions.

The general consensus on these forums seems to be that NOBODY does incursions anymore because they suck?

Are they really that bad? Or are people exaggerating?


I found them a fun way to make money, I would never run missions but I could live with incursions. What do people do to make money now? Is it still incursions or did everybody go back to level 4s?



The Incursion NERF was really that bad. The Incursion communities or the mos part are dead or dieing Because the Vanguard OTA sites suck again & the Assault NCN sites suck about as much as they always did. Seems like a repeating of past errors & now with all he Inferno problems Incursions will be pushed back into the wastebin like FW probably
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-09 08:52:01 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Spineker wrote:
Basically CCP wasted all the energy to make them introduced them without any real testing on the economy then found out they totally screwed up. Now Incursion will go the way of Faction Warfare did, they should never have allowed the constant camping of some of the Vanguards etc. Was stupid and the nerf had to happen unfortunately was a huge screwup by CCP. Everyone knew they were broke they as typical kneejerked and wasted the whole system.


I recall CCP Affinity saying she wanted to avoid kneejerk reactions but the lack of analysing testing feedback from SiSi ( like the SiSi UI feedback ignoring )of the Escalation nerf looks to be a kneejerk reation.
Now Null sec/ Lo SEC communities are pretty much dead (Razor last weekend almost cracked 70% in my journal)
The HI sec community probably won't last a few more weeks.

A few quick adjustments before the inevitable Inferno bugs bogged down the DEV's was necessary but all I see was a waffle then a closed thread. Maybe selected increased payouts of the OTA's & NCN could of stemmed some of the bleeding & quickly changed easily enough without a mechanics change.

I doubt now CCP has the time for anything but knee jerk reactions now before the HI SEC community fizzles out more


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