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Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-04 11:20:52 UTC
Me and a buddy are considering joining a WH corp. I've been living in a C2 for a while and fly a Tengu quite well etc etc. He, however, is still pretty new to the game and has trained exclusively Gal ships. Are there any Gal Hulls that a WH corp would welcome, or do you think we need to get him to refocus on something else? (i.e. a Tengu)
Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#2 - 2012-06-04 11:38:46 UTC
In our little corner of the world, half the corp is training blasters and finding more and more uses for gallente-hulls all the time. That is for pvp thou, so if thats what you are into your friend are probably spot on. There are always a gallante ship to fly no matter what job...

That said, for pve/ISK-making, drake/tengu still rule. Depending on how stubborn your friend is when it comes to cross train caldari/missiles, it might be worth it just for the easy ISK-making. Especially if you already fly a Tengu.

Other then that I would also be interested in what gallante ships people use for plexing C2-C4s. Ishtar a good choice for C2 farming maybe? Rail-Naga worth it in C4s?

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#3 - 2012-06-04 12:52:28 UTC
Domis and Megas work in C3 or C4 fleets, though RR tengus are more effective than battleships there as well.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-04 13:29:45 UTC
in c5/6 moros's are great, however im pretty sure you and your buddy arent at the point where capitals are a viable option yet.
for PvE tengu is king. it doesnt do anything better then anything, but its the only ship that can do everything well. my corp have been using navy domi's in c4's (utility highslots \o/) but they are never the best choice

in PvP gallente are awesome. they dont have much range, but most fights happen at in your face distance anyway. and they do massive dps
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2012-06-04 13:49:54 UTC
Domis are a work horse that can be turned to just about anything - they can do quite well with sentry drones.

In general tho drones get eaten alive by sleepers, blasters lack useful range against sleepers (except maybe for shredding the frigs that come in close) and railguns are borderline on range and weak on dps. There are some support roles i.e. the 90% webs on the kronos that they are useful for PVE wise but mostly they are more useful for WH PVP than PVE.
Bibosikus
Air
#6 - 2012-06-04 13:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
Rroff wrote:
...In general tho drones get eaten alive by sleepers...


Just to clarify, this only really applies when running sites solo. Sleeper target-switching seems 99% geared to between player ships, unless there's only one in which case they do indeed switch to & waste your drones in very short order. A corpmate & I run Domis with nano'd Ogres in C3 anoms & sites, and I can't remember the last time a drone actually got aggro.

With the advent of the new DDA mods, the Ogre II has become an extremely nasty dps dealer.

@OP - Your corpmate has a few options open. The Domi/NI Domi are very effective boats for both PvP and PvE (in remote-repping pairs) in w-space, if he has decent drone skills (which he should being Gal).

Other good Gal boats for w-space PvP are Nemesis, Arazu, Mega, Oneiros for logi, Phobos (not the best HIC but hey), Deimos and sniper Ishtar.

For PvE, Dual-rep Hyperion can also run C3 anoms solo, but cap-boosted which is a pita.

If you're moving to C1/C2, then any decent dual-rep Myrm fit can run anoms and sites.

For C4 and above, a quad Domi gang can still run anomalies. Apart from that the only boat he'll be useful in is a buffered Proteus with logi support.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2012-06-04 14:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Bibosikus wrote:
Rroff wrote:
...In general tho drones get eaten alive by sleepers...


Just to clarify, this only really applies when running sites solo. Sleeper target-switching seems 99% geared to between player ships, unless there's only one in which case they do indeed switch to & waste your drones in very short order. A corpmate & I run Domis with nano'd Ogres in C3 anoms & sites, and I can't remember the last time a drone actually got aggro.

With the advent of the new DDA mods, the Ogre II has become an extremely nasty dps dealer...

Yes. Sleeper AI seems to prioritize targeting EWAR and Logistics use over damage, so the moment you have two ships remote repping each other, their priority for sleeper targeting becomes so much higher than when you are flying solo, that the drones are left alone.

Add a ship with some ECM fitted and you will hardly ever have to repair anyone else.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2012-06-04 14:08:41 UTC
More players will reduce how often they switch to drones but from my experience most of the time when you have 3 or less ships on the field they will go for drones way too often. Only with 4-5 other ships can I use them with relative impunity. (This will change a bit with the exact details of your fleet setup, etc. but in general with small or solo numbers they will BBQ drones rather nastily best bet is to use a ship that can field sentries)
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#9 - 2012-06-04 14:12:54 UTC
Up to C3s, the Legion is a solid mid-range ship able to hold its own. It won't field the DPS or range of the heavy missile boats, but if you're heavily invested in gunnery skills and armor tanking then a pulse Legion might be just as effective as a low-skill Drake or Tengu, plus its skill tree will open up a lot of nifty Amarr ships that will benefit from your existing training for gallente ships.

Here's the ship I flew for wormhole PVE for almost a year before it finally got caught: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15859369

On the rare occasion I fly PVE these days, I use a Tengu. I trained to it for working in a C5 fleet and once you get your skills up, it really is the best ship.

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Bibosikus
Air
#10 - 2012-06-04 14:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
See what you're saying Rroff, but I think Godfrey nailed it. If it's the eWar which really pisses those Sleepers off as he suggests (never considered that before tbh), then it would explain why our RR Domi gangs can run Ogres with such impunity.

EDIT: Damn Floppie, I was about to compliment your post for putting up my favourite T3 for C3 farming..

Then you went and mentioned the Shmengu What?

I'd like to add that the Legion is actually quicker at farming C3 anoms than the Tengu Blink

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#11 - 2012-06-04 14:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Yeah RRing domis or ships with ewar would change it up a bit compared to 2-3 local tanked ships where they would still tend to focus on drones a lot more than is healthy for the drones :S


Regarding the Phobos - everyone knows the devoter, onyx and broadsword but a lot of people forget the phobos is a HIC and get it mixed up with the deimos so it does have potential in that regard - most experienced wormhole dweller will immediatly think HIC! when they see onyx on dscan but the phobos has a much higher chance of going under the radar.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#12 - 2012-06-04 17:16:29 UTC
Gallente is brilliant for pvp in wh (proteus). In pve consider training salvaging 5 (though the legion might be better at that as well).


If he hasn't trained for a t3 yet, wait until you have talked with the corp you want to join and find out if they are shield or armor. Then train for what ever they suggest.

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Emerson Bunnypants
Foxes and Kitties and Fun
#13 - 2012-06-04 21:07:41 UTC
It depends on how open minded they are to this sort of thing, but you can really run wh sites pretty easily in a well equipped Enyo. You can train it up quickly, it's cheap, it has good resists and in reality it does better in c3 sites than it does in c1 sites as the biggest danger to it is frigate sized sleepers. Just don't slow down.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#14 - 2012-06-04 21:31:16 UTC
Emerson Bunnypants wrote:
It depends on how open minded they are to this sort of thing, but you can really run wh sites pretty easily in a well equipped Enyo. You can train it up quickly, it's cheap, it has good resists and in reality it does better in c3 sites than it does in c1 sites as the biggest danger to it is frigate sized sleepers. Just don't slow down.

This is not very good isk/hour, but it is a LOT of fun, as is everything involving Enyos.

It's an awesome PvP tackler that you can use to kill sleepers with while waiting for enemies to make a move. :)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-04 22:31:53 UTC
Proteus is the only ship a gal pilot really needs in a WH.
Arazy can be handy, Moros obviously good too.
Vigilant is great also.

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Nya0
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-06-05 00:18:24 UTC
Proteus is the king of small gang wh pvp (imho) so it's definetly not wasted. He'll properly want another ship for pve though, tengu is ofc great. Another favorit is loki or rapier since the webs are a big bonus if you're fielding dreads (not that important to fit t2 guns initially for pve since the dps is nothing compared to a dread, the webs are much more effective). Not much of a reason to train past cruisers for the first while so even if he needs to cross train it wont take that long.
Uinuva Karma
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-06 05:34:46 UTC
Shaky Ground wrote:
Me and a buddy are considering joining a WH corp. I've been living in a C2 for a while and fly a Tengu quite well etc etc. He, however, is still pretty new to the game and has trained exclusively Gal ships. Are there any Gal Hulls that a WH corp would welcome, or do you think we need to get him to refocus on something else? (i.e. a Tengu)


The question is, can you fly any ships that could be useful for the corp?



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Shaky Ground
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-06 08:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaky Ground
Uinuva Karma wrote:
Shaky Ground wrote:
Me and a buddy are considering joining a WH corp. I've been living in a C2 for a while and fly a Tengu quite well etc etc. He, however, is still pretty new to the game and has trained exclusively Gal ships. Are there any Gal Hulls that a WH corp would welcome, or do you think we need to get him to refocus on something else? (i.e. a Tengu)


The question is, can you fly any ships that could be useful for the corp?



No, it's not. The question is about Gal ships and their use in PvE in a WH. In answer to your question, yes, I can. Thanks for asking.
Uinuva Karma
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-06 09:24:56 UTC
Shaky Ground wrote:
Uinuva Karma wrote:
Shaky Ground wrote:
Me and a buddy are considering joining a WH corp. I've been living in a C2 for a while and fly a Tengu quite well etc etc. He, however, is still pretty new to the game and has trained exclusively Gal ships. Are there any Gal Hulls that a WH corp would welcome, or do you think we need to get him to refocus on something else? (i.e. a Tengu)


The question is, can you fly any ships that could be useful for the corp?



No, it's not. The question is about Gal ships and their use in PvE in a WH. In answer to your poor troll, yes, I can. Thanks for asking.


No, you asked "Are there any Gal Hulls that a WH corp would welcome". Yes, a whole bunch of them. Proteus is The Ship for wormholes.

Tengu, on the other hand, is a carebearing vessel, which leads to the question- can you fly any ships that are welcome in a WH corp? If not, you should consider training for one, or buy a Gallente character.



Captain Kirk didn't stay in hisec. 

Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#20 - 2012-06-06 14:02:36 UTC
Tengu is quite useful in wh's as well. Even in armor fleets.

I fly both...

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

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