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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#21 - 2012-06-04 14:47:41 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
In my humble opinion, if you're modifying your orders more than 3 times a day (even that's a lot if you have a proper "portfolio"), you're doing it wrong.

I also can't think of a better way to burn yourself out on trading quickly and permanently.


bin down that path before myself, 10 stacks per item 1 month later I just said F it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-04 15:15:22 UTC
hmmmm kara

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#23 - 2012-06-04 17:27:10 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
In my humble opinion, if you're modifying your orders more than 3 times a day (even that's a lot if you have a proper "portfolio"), you're doing it wrong.

I have a weakly self-imposed "one order price change per week" guideline myself.

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Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-04 18:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Trollin
also OP is completely discounting that every split stack is tying up ANOTHER of their open order slots, so its coming out of your ass other ways also


not even to mention confusions about which orders were modified or why the hell would one check orders every 5 minutes.


you would be better off collecting recyclables from the trash can at your local (park/comunity college/public library/mall) and buying rubber gloves and a face masks to protect your identity PLEX to resell than spending 15 hours a day .01isking

50 recyclables per hour *15 hrs= 750*.05$=37.50$=~1bn isk/day

We are our own worst enemy.
HalfArse
Wixo Trading Co.
#25 - 2012-06-05 13:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: HalfArse
Rykker Bow wrote:


AFAIK it can't be done and it's a good thing in my opinion. I can envision a couple of problems with this, which while may be addressable to prevent the problems it poses, may not be in an individual traders best interest (namely me! Big smile)

Theft or fraud: If a corp mates can change orders, the person who's item that is is susceptible to everyone who has access to that order. They can change the price and buy it themselves, cancel it, increase the price to create high fees to the corp, etc etc

the person whos item that is? its a corp order so its the corps.
corp theft is always an issue and is why you have to be careful who gets what rights - its the same with hangers and lab access


Rykker Bow wrote:

advantage to larger corps: High member corps could control markets by having tens or even hundreds of members updating prices on the same item throughout the day, and 23.5 hours a day to boot. Corps would eventually squeeze out the individual trader.


On the flip side of this - it also means that corps cant do corp trading - means there are no proper trading corporations which is a big shame imo - lots of ppl working together SHOULD have an advantage over individuals, and you wont get hundreds of people all updating prices on the same items because as per previous mention of theft - how can a corp give that much unrestricted access to all of their assets (on the market)?
At most youd get maybe 10-15 and players who are interested in teh market enough to want to play in a trading corp like that are savvy enough to not need to play 0.01isk wars.
Fremi Masag
FGC Inc.
#26 - 2012-06-05 14:18:50 UTC
HalfArse wrote:
Rykker Bow wrote:


AFAIK it can't be done and it's a good thing in my opinion. I can envision a couple of problems with this, which while may be addressable to prevent the problems it poses, may not be in an individual traders best interest (namely me! Big smile)

Theft or fraud: If a corp mates can change orders, the person who's item that is is susceptible to everyone who has access to that order. They can change the price and buy it themselves, cancel it, increase the price to create high fees to the corp, etc etc

the person whos item that is? its a corp order so its the corps.
corp theft is always an issue and is why you have to be careful who gets what rights - its the same with hangers and lab access


Rykker Bow wrote:

advantage to larger corps: High member corps could control markets by having tens or even hundreds of members updating prices on the same item throughout the day, and 23.5 hours a day to boot. Corps would eventually squeeze out the individual trader.


On the flip side of this - it also means that corps cant do corp trading - means there are no proper trading corporations which is a big shame imo - lots of ppl working together SHOULD have an advantage over individuals, and you wont get hundreds of people all updating prices on the same items because as per previous mention of theft - how can a corp give that much unrestricted access to all of their assets (on the market)?
At most youd get maybe 10-15 and players who are interested in teh market enough to want to play in a trading corp like that are savvy enough to not need to play 0.01isk wars.




What might be interesting in the future is a wholesale or corp market where corps can deal at the higher levels described. Then the regular market can be open to all as is.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#27 - 2012-06-05 15:46:22 UTC
Fremi Masag wrote:

What might be interesting in the future is a wholesale or corp market where corps can deal at the higher levels described. Then the regular market can be open to all as is.


Hum... interesting...

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Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#28 - 2012-06-05 16:05:41 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Fremi Masag wrote:

What might be interesting in the future is a wholesale or corp market where corps can deal at the higher levels described. Then the regular market can be open to all as is.


Hum... interesting...



Agreed, very interesting indeed. This idea is worthy of discussion. Ideas on how it can benifit corps while protecting smaller traders?

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