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Can we clarify what is a post for general discussion?

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#81 - 2012-06-04 02:57:58 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Okay can you provide an example of a topic that would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum. And If you can't could it be stated that the rules are selectively applied to posters and or ideas that certain people do not care for? And in doing so what that not indicate clear bias from a party that professes neutrality for the sake of the game?



Nope, but you could always file a petition and ask the people who make the rules.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
EVE Roy Mustang
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-04 02:58:27 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?


not moderation discussion like you do with the OP
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#83 - 2012-06-04 02:59:25 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Okay can you provide an example of a topic that would fall under EVE General Discussion while not falling under another subforum. And If you can't could it be stated that the rules are selectively applied to posters and or ideas that certain people do not care for? And in doing so what that not indicate clear bias from a party that professes neutrality for the sake of the game?



Actually, because your English comprehension is so obviously lacking,


Richard Desturned wrote:
EVE GD is for EVE-related discussions that do not fit in the context of the other sections. If you posted a thread in GD asking about the sweet spot between DPS and tank on a Proteus it'd be moved to Ships and Modules. If you posted a thread asking what setup is best for blitzing Guristas missions it'd be moved to Missions and Complexes. The moderators are not obligated to agree with your wish to reach out to the largest possible audience.



Sorry to copy pasta you Richard, but you put it perfectly.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-06-04 03:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?

Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#85 - 2012-06-04 03:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
And once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?

Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?




example one

example 2

example 3

example 4

example 5

Get it?

EDIT: If you had bothered to actually read Richards post you would have noted something. The key to posting on GD is to make sure that your thread does not fit in to the context of one of the other forum sections. Your idea about the feature known as "local" clearly falls under the heading of Features and Ideas.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-06-04 03:07:32 UTC
No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#87 - 2012-06-04 03:07:49 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
And once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?

Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?




example one

example 2

example 3

example 4

example 5

Get it?



He doesn't now nor will he ever "Get it". Just stop posting and let this thread die. That way he can post another later.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#88 - 2012-06-04 03:09:02 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.



Quoting myself here

Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If you had bothered to actually read Richards post you would have noted something. The key to posting on GD is to make sure that your thread does not fit in to the context of one of the other forum sections. Your idea about the feature known as "local" clearly falls under the heading of Features and Ideas.


Read this slowly, take each word in and hold it in your mind. Practice doing this a few dozen times and perhaps it will stick.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2012-06-04 03:09:51 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.


If they sought to "censor" you they would have deleted the thread entirely (i.e. it'd 404) and you'd be set read-only. This is not the case.

The "ruleset" is like this:

1) Does it fall within the context of another forum section? Post it there.
2) If not 1), is it EVE related? Post it in GD.
3) Not EVE related? Post it in OOPE.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#90 - 2012-06-04 03:09:55 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
And once again can we get one example of a topic that would uniformly fall under general discussion?

Or are we at the point of open air admission of bias?




example one

example 2

example 3

example 4

example 5

Get it?



He doesn't now nor will he ever "Get it". Just stop posting and let this thread die. That way he can post another later.


Aww, but its fun Sad party pooper.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-06-04 03:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
You're right I never will because people who struggle defending a position are linking random various posts in an attempt to convey some format that the rules follow. When by the postings linked show that precisely no format exists. Its not unwillingness. its incompetent instruction. Essentially the rules are made up on the fly and used to silence critique or opinion whoever is moderating decides unworthwhile.
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-06-04 03:11:55 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
No I don't. There seems to be no apparent ruleset that determines whether something falls under general discussion. Which takes us back to open air admission of bias and censorship.


For everything that cannot be specifically defined and laid out in the rules falls under CCP's discretion. If a mod feels that certain topics fit elsewhere they will move it. Get over it, move on and quit feeling like you are being tormented.

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-06-04 03:14:36 UTC
Or said another way, open air bias and prejudice.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#94 - 2012-06-04 03:15:53 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-06-04 03:17:48 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.



Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If you really want to know what is and is not acceptable in GD then read the forum rules. If you have questions about the forum rules ask the forum moderators. Don't make yet another post questioning it and then berate anyone who dares answer.


I did read the rules, and I didnt find anything either of my posts violated sans discussing moderating bias. And I never drew first blood in the threads and no action or moderation was taken against those who did. So don't slap me with the whip and then cry out in pain.
Vanria Vexed
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-06-04 03:20:31 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Or said another way, open air bias and prejudice.


Every company is "bias" to their own success, and will defend themselves how they feel to continue onward to their idea of success. You alone on this failure of a crusade, and playing a self defined martyr, will not change that fact. ONCE AGAIN, learn that mods have freedom to that which you cannot and move on.

**Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. **
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-06-04 03:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action?

The mods can only censor the forums and the forums are limited to an already paying population.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-06-04 03:27:50 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I'm not getting it. What exactly is able to be posted in this forum? It appears i've struck a nerve and now anything I post is removed. Yet slurs, snide remarks and general harassment isn't. Enlighten me, what qualifies as a general discussion of EVE?

Greetings capsuleer,

Your original discussion on the influence of Local was moved to Features and Ideas. You then spammed the forum by repeating the topic, despite having them locked. Admittedly, capsuleer Crimson, Lord Zim and Cutter was instrumental in getting one of those threads locked, but as capsuleer Crimson has said:

DMC wrote:
I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'.


He is a stickler for the forum rules and you should listen to him. What the owners of this board says is what the rules are. And these rules have determined that your discussion should go to Features and Ideas and that repeated occurences of that topic will be locked.

I am correct in this, am I not capsuleer Crimson?

Regards,

Shian Yang

Capsuleer Yang,

Yes, you're correct in saying I made that statement and am now, as you put it, a 'stickler' for the forum rules.

I also agree that myself, Lord Zim and Cutter Isaacson, along with other players, contributed to the lock which was not my intention. However, the way you present my statement and the fact that you omitted the first part of it consequently bolsters your post and implies that my statement was directed towards Caliph Muhammed, which it most certainly was not.

When viewed in it's entirety, my statement definitely paints a different picture :

Quote:
Nonetheless, everything I posted is true. The OP was perfectly fine and had some legitimate replies. However, he was personally attacked by others who were trying to incite a flame war and derail this thread by posting sarcastic, disrespectful, demeaning, berating and offensive replies directed towards the OP.

I personally detest seeing that and have been guilty of doing that myself in the past. But I was shown the error of my ways and have vowed to post replies as per Forum Rules. Now when I see it getting out of hand, I'll post a reminder to those involved and if continued, will just issue 'Report Cards'.

Obviously by then the only players active in the thread was myself, Lord Zim and Cutter Isaacson. Due to it continuing, I did what I said I would do which resulted in various replies being removed (expected) and ultimately the thread being locked (unexpected).

Regards,

DMC

Lord Zim wrote:

Actually, the timeline is, he started a thread about removing local in GD, it went on and on and on for a long time, was moved to F&I, he then opened a thread in GD asking why the thread was moved, it was locked for discussing moderation, he started another thread where the OP was just a bunch of "fill in the blanks" sentences, that got locked and he started a new thread within 10 minutes with the exact same first post, only a different subject, which promptly got locked for being a duplicate of a locked thread.

And now we're here.

If recounting facts, let's present all the facts. While I don't know the actual specifics about the first 2 posted threads, those 2 threads are irrelevant pertaining to what happened in the 3rd thread.

The "Fill in the blanks" thread was fine for General Discussion, another 'fun type' thread like the 'Likes' or 'Avatar' threads, presented as a guessing game regardless of the hidden content. It even had some legitimate replies. Unfortunately it was immediately attacked by those with a cross to bare, resulting in events which were explained above. Now if some of the replies had exercised some restraint as per forum rules, possibly even ignored the thread instead of trying to lol flame it, that thread probably would have died out after a while. It definitely wouldn't have gained my attention. I will agree though that quickly posting another thread after that was indeed a bad move.

Now that brings us up to speed.


To the OP - Caliph Muhammed,

If you feel that you are being unjustly persecuted, file a complaint with Customer Service - Internal Affairs. That's what they are there for. Also there are various other ways to bring attention to your thread topic even if it is in F&I sub-forum, such as placing a link to it in your characters forum signature and your characters bio. You can also link it in local chat of various solar systems within Eve.

Best thing to do right now is not push the issue here and let it rest. Above all, just ignore these players who keep trying to antagonize you. DON'T FEED THEM. More than likely their intent is to get you raging. Just let it be.

As for me, well, no offense intended to anyone but I believe my reputation should be well known by now. If not, I welcome the opportunity to re-establish it whenever the need arises. Now with that all said, I really don't want to look over this thread cuz I'm done for today. However, tomorrow is another day.


DMC


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Charles Case
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-06-04 03:53:16 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
If by freedom you mean to overtly display bias and prejudice you are correct. But to go on fraudulently proclaiming yourself fair and impartial in all things EVE, you're wrong. The last time the community was treated as a worthless factor the company downsized. Are you sure thats the best course of action?

The mods can only censor the forums and the forums are limited to an already paying population.


I have reported every post you've made in this thread.
Grandpa Bill
Twin Lakes Retirement Home
#100 - 2012-06-04 04:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Grandpa Bill
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Grandpa Bill