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Review of Assault Frig prices
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Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-06-03 22:03:47 UTC
If you don't like T2 ship prices then remember: you can always buy Faction!

Support your independant faction ship BPC suppliers today!

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-04 09:18:13 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Tech nerf is incoming (one day)



they tried already with the t2 bp realignment of moon goo.....didn't work lol. Went from one bottleneck to another.


But to op....welcome to eve markets. the same bp you are whining about is the same bp that made these cheap as chips months ago. Nothing to fix here except human greed (and well goons has to make the isk to pay out all those hulkageddon prizes out somehow lol). In the future....about 5-6 months from now....buy before patching of the winter edition. Stock up what you can that is apart of the speculation craze. After patching markets go to crap for a while. Personal use or resell at higher price after patch like everyone is doing now, thats your call.

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#23 - 2012-06-04 14:29:29 UTC
It has always been the case in eve that 5%-10% performance increase will cost you up to 20times more than the origonal.

Before invention i used to pay 250-300mil for a vagabond and it was 10million for a tech 2 gun, and 25million for an invuln II...

These days everything it's much cheaper and faction is rivaling tech 2 for performance also. I prefer it this way. After invention, for a long time everyone and their sister flew tech 2 - now people consider flying t1 ships instead of defaulting to tech 2.

The only complaint i have is that cruisers move too slowly after the nano nerf. A battle-cruiser/BS should not move at 80% of a cruisers speed. Sticking an MWD on a cruiser and only going 1300-1400 seems outrageous, given that cruisers have absolutely NO advantages over BC's other cost... which is a null point when considering tech 2 prices.

Long story short: AF's will come down in price, but please buff HAC's
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-06-04 14:38:14 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

The only complaint i have is that cruisers move too slowly after the nano nerf. A battle-cruiser/BS should not move at 80% of a cruisers speed. Sticking an MWD on a cruiser and only going 1300-1400 seems outrageous, given that cruisers have absolutely NO advantages over BC's other cost... which is a null point when considering tech 2 prices.


BC's have similar mass as cruisers unlike dessies vs frigs. Same mass = same speed (roughly) Apart from 1, BS's move a lot slower.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#25 - 2012-06-04 15:05:33 UTC
mxzf wrote:
The current AF prices are a combination of a few factors:
1. The AF buff made them somewhat more popular
2. A giant wave of mining bot banning at around the same time as Hulkageddon starting vastly reduced the mining workforce, which drove up the mineral prices
3. OTEC is increasing Tech prices, which is used in T2 production

So, yes, they are up in price, but it's not just from the AF buff, it's due to vast market manipulation (unintended with the bot banning, intentional with Hulkageddon and OTEC).


I believe ring mining will lead to the goons liquidating without warning, its their master strategy, deception and greed.

There are still allot of hulls selling below 20M isk, there are also Navy hulls like the hookbill slicer firetail and that other one which I have trouble moving even as a jita sell order.

T1 frigates are also great, some of them are quite capable of holding their own against most T2 frigs in the hands of the right pilot.

I will have to join the "there's a problem" if ceptor prices start going past 20M isk, those ships newbies use to learn how to PvP in nulsec quite often.

Manipulation on these items may need a few more months after the market recovered and sale become abundant once again.
Hail Goddess
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-04 17:00:09 UTC
Well, most T2 ships are not even worth training anymore. Navy faction and pirate faction have seen to that. The Thrasher like always has been better than more assault frigates. Same with the Coercer, Cormorant and Catalyst to a lesser extent. I prefer the stabber fleet over many tech 2 cruisers. Recons and logistics are exceptions. Interdics have thier niche.

For example. This character is only training for t1, navy and pirate faction ships. Sealth bombers, assault frigates and recons are exceptions. I would put logi in there but this character is for solo ONLY. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Hail_Goddess My choice with her is either gal and min or min and amarr.

I have 2 other characters that are able to fly everything up to marauders. I've stopped flying most t2 ships with them a v long time ago. Bar random setups ive been told to try out or thoery crafted.

Assault frigates are worth it for thier cost and are able to engage battlecruisers effectively. Intereceptors aren't and if thier prices rise even more. Then that's a serious issue.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-05 03:30:54 UTC
Summary of OP: "It is wrong that something popular has increased in price"

You even answered your own question .... but apparently missed it totally. As you said T1 frigs got buffed -> Get more popular because people want to save cost -> less demand for AFs -> Lower price for AFs -> You get your toy cheaper.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#28 - 2012-06-05 04:00:24 UTC
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/11393/-4/5/0/5

You'll have to tack invention costs on these as well, which will likely be around 3 or 4 million.

Which leaves about a 10% profit margin.

Of course, these numbers are flexible if you start throwing in decryptors and so on. Like with all invention, you'll have to play with the numbers.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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