EVE General Discussion

Ok so, i have an alt whos primarily training to fly an obelisk and do trade route runs. The lowest sec i will be going in is .5, how much isk worth could i carry relatively safely before being jumped? Ive read quite a lot of things, some say 1bill, some say 5-6bill and is there anything particular to look out for on a trade run that could possibly indicate the signs of getting ganked?

I am currently doing it in an iteron, and so far have been yellow boxed once, was that someone cargo scanning me? There were no logs or anything to say if there were anything happening.

Thanks in advance.

The easiest way to find it's to pick your ships value and x10, this should be the max value you'd put in, over this you're a worthy target except some rare situations where dudes know how to tank their hauling ships and have neutral rep alts.

In 0.5 space, it will need about 7 T3 BCs or alpha BSs to gank you, if they all alpha for 10K. Give or take, 8 or 9 is safer.
That will cost about 700-900M isk, depends on gear. Maybe a bit more.
With 50-50 chance of drops, a 2B hauling will almost always gurantree breaking even, 3B will give a decent profit.

If you fly in relatetively quiet systems, a 2B is ok to haul. More, and doing it constantly, or doing it in high-traffic systems, will invite a gank pretty fast.

1-1.5B is usually safe. More, and its very recommended to use a second account or a friend to scout ahead.
I have rarely seen a hauler die to a gank with less than 3B, but it happens.

If you fly in 0.8+, it will cost a lot more to gank you, so under 4B can be considered safe.

But, it also depends on what you are hauling.
Taking around expensive dead-space items, will almost gurantee a "guys wake up! we got a pinyata!", even with an escort.
Taking ore or minerals, 99% of the time they will leave you the hell alone, unless you are haulling like 1M of morphite or something similar.
Taking T2 ships with high value or demand, or expensive BPOs, will also invite a gank very fast.

Exactly what i was looking for, thankyou very much :)

If your really carrying valuable and expensive stuff, I wouldnt autopilot...the real safest way is to be at your computer and do the jumps yourself.

Just use a web alt. I honestly can't fly more than 5 jumps in my charon without a web alt. takes way to long.

Thx for explaining properly

My orca already took more than 20B in out of Jita, no insurance and afk 15 jumps away.

Your problem is the amount when the tool is the key.

Move to nullsec where you can titan bridge your freighter past gatecamps like a pr0

Tips (some stuff is educated guesses so dont take as gospel):

Don't auto pilot in a T1 hauler with more than you would like to lose. A 3mill ship can kill you easily, so they might gank you even if you are carrying as little as 50mill (unlikely tho)

Add Perimeter to your avoid list. This will increase the Jita to Amarr route by only one jump and is worth it

It takes about 14 tornados to gank a freighter. They cost about 750-1000mill to replace. As your stuff has a 50% chance to drop, don't carry more than 1.5-2bill.

If you are auto piloting, the amount you are carrying shouldn't be more than 1bill as they have time to set up / calculate the perfect gank to minimise their losses.

A lot of ganking occours in Niarja as it is unavoidable in the Jita - Amarr route without the number of jumps going up to 25 and it is a 0.5 so be wary in this system

A lot of ganking occours in Madirmilire as it's on the Jita to Amarr route and is a 0.6 so be wary also.

Never smack / gloat / sheet talk to keep the liklehood of getting killed "for the lulz" to a minimum.

When you jump into a system, do a D-Scan. If you see a lot of tornados be wary / log off

If you jump into a system and see 14 tornados on the gate, log off immediately without breaking gate cloak (you need to verify if this still works - not sure, but wot else can you do)

You are most likely to get killed as you jump into Niarja and try to warp off so this won't help too much but you can set up off grid bookmarks at the in and out gates in Niarja. Allways warp to those bookmarks then scan the gate for a bunch of tornados.

You mentioned how you were yellow boxed. This may have been someone scaning you but most suiciders worth their salt use a passive targeter so you won't see the yellow box

Haul very expensive stuff in an Orca using the corp bay. Don't fit expanded cargo things, fit a DC II and reinforced bulkheads in the lows

Be wary of all the courier contract scams / tricks (I won't go over them here)

If your gonna be afk hauling, get the minmatar one as it will do the job the quickest