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Would you still pay to play?

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Len Ross
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-06-03 16:31:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Len Ross
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Len Ross wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Unless you're a felon or something, it doesn't take all that long.


And there you have it. One little mistake.


Felonies don't tend to be "little" mistakes unless you were falsely convicted.


OK It was one big mistake. I got caught. Sorry couldnt resist that one. Twisted

Messing about over. In all seriousness in the UK unemployment is a sad fact of life. Try and theres another 1000 after the same job. So back to my original statement. Right now I cant.

I like that about using eve to learn about trading.... 10/10 for ingenuity. Might put I play EVE on my CV
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#42 - 2012-06-03 16:41:41 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Clever solution to your problem. Kudos.

Spain?


Thanks, Italy.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#43 - 2012-06-03 16:43:25 UTC
Len Ross wrote:

I like that about using eve to learn about trading.... 10/10 for ingenuity. Might put I play EVE on my CV


Hehe, I call it "emergent gameplay". Works in RL too P
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#44 - 2012-06-03 16:44:25 UTC
sweetrock wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Why are you still here?

Haven't you been quitting for weeks now? For someone tired of the game, you sure aren't tired of the forums.


it hasnt even been 2 weeks yet, and im jsut waiting for subscirptions to expire that is all.

Seeing as you're quitting and all, why are you still on the forums?

For someone who doesn't like, has grown tired of or is otherwise dissatisfied with the game you sure do spend an obsessive amount of time on the forums. It's almost as though you do like the game, and your outspoken plans to unsub are just a bluff.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#45 - 2012-06-03 16:44:57 UTC
In response to title question... yes.

I've only used PLEX once. Otherwise, my parents foot the bill (can't legally work yet, so limited personal income).
Kopfy
#46 - 2012-06-03 17:05:53 UTC
Hi, my name is Kopfy and... I'm a PLEX user.
I use to pay the subscription the usual way but I all of a sudden got a lot of free time and a hunger for new computer components and of course my economy is limited in the student kind of way. But now i probably pay half my game time with PLEX and the other half the other way.
If they were to kill PLEX I'd continue to pay and have to cut down on my component addiction.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-06-03 17:22:47 UTC
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#48 - 2012-06-03 17:46:04 UTC
Len Ross wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Len Ross wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Unless you're a felon or something, it doesn't take all that long.


And there you have it. One little mistake.


Felonies don't tend to be "little" mistakes unless you were falsely convicted.


OK It was one big mistake. I got caught. Sorry couldnt resist that one. Twisted

Messing about over. In all seriousness in the UK unemployment is a sad fact of life. Try and theres another 1000 after the same job. So back to my original statement. Right now I cant.

I like that about using eve to learn about trading.... 10/10 for ingenuity. Might put I play EVE on my CV

Hell, in the US you can be charged with a felony for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I knew someone who went down for hate crimes when it should have been a minor assault charge.

He smashed a rocks glass over someones head because the dude grabbed him from behind in a bar. Didn't know the dude was black til AFTER he did the smashing. Pretty much forced this dude into a life of crime.

Not all felonies, even justified charges(the dude had been raised as a neo-person who likes swastikas, by this point had grown up, so there was fair grounds for the assumption) are actually deserved. I would call defending yourself from someone grabbing you from behind a small mistake, wouldn't you?

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sweetrock
#49 - 2012-06-03 17:51:50 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
sweetrock wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Why are you still here?

Haven't you been quitting for weeks now? For someone tired of the game, you sure aren't tired of the forums.


it hasnt even been 2 weeks yet, and im jsut waiting for subscirptions to expire that is all.

Seeing as you're quitting and all, why are you still on the forums?

For someone who doesn't like, has grown tired of or is otherwise dissatisfied with the game you sure do spend an obsessive amount of time on the forums. It's almost as though you do like the game, and your outspoken plans to unsub are just a bluff.



Its a laugh thats all, jsut because the game doesnt give me a reason to log on at the moment, doesnt mean i cant entertain myself till the subs expire on the forums. + I post from where ever off the iPhone so yeah :P
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#50 - 2012-06-03 17:54:54 UTC
Wouldn't make any difference, so yes.
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-06-03 23:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hammer Crendraven
Rajan Marelona wrote:
If you make 1$/hour working in RL, you should pay cash if you make under 25 mil ISK/hour, buy PLEX with ISK if you make more.
If you make 7$/hour working in RL, you should pay cash if you make under 180 mil ISK/hour, buy PLEX with ISK if you make more.
If you make 15$/hour working in RL, you should pay cash if you make under 385 mil ISK/hour, buy PLEX with ISK if you make more.
If you make 30$/hour working in RL, you should pay cash if you make under 770 mil ISK/hour, buy PLEX with ISK if you make more.


Keep going your not there yet? So if you make so much (?) in RL that you are bored with it then you play games for fun yes!?

How much plex does it take to buy CCP?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#52 - 2012-06-04 00:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I probably would still play regardless of PLEX... PLEX is pretty nice though. I would miss the option... Big smile

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Clever solution to your problem. Kudos.

Spain?

Thanks, Italy.

That's brutal. Sad South or North?

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#53 - 2012-06-04 00:39:58 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I probably would still play regardless of PLEX... PLEX is pretty nice though. I would miss the option... Big smile

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Clever solution to your problem. Kudos.

Spain?

Thanks, Italy.

That's brutal. Sad South or North?


NW.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#54 - 2012-06-04 00:47:25 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Gogela wrote:
I probably would still play regardless of PLEX... PLEX is pretty nice though. I would miss the option... Big smile

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Clever solution to your problem. Kudos.

Spain?

Thanks, Italy.

That's brutal. Sad South or North?


NW.

Best place to be in Italy imho...

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#55 - 2012-06-04 00:57:42 UTC
I have been playing EVE, on and off, since 2004 or maybe 5, I forget since I no longer have my first of second characters (both deleted).

I have never used plex to subscribe, and probably never will. I use the 6 month subscription option, and even Power-of-Two when it comes up.

I wish CCP would give us more subscription options. I would be happy to pay $20.00 per month to have the option to train two of my three characters.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#56 - 2012-06-04 09:49:37 UTC
George Whitebread wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
It is significantly cheaper from a time investment perspective to pony over the subscription. If it takes you less time to make 500m ISK than it does to make $15, then you ought to re-evaluate your priorities.



Probably in most poor countries, in richest ones if you can't make 15$ per hour you did it all wrong.


Indeed. I live and work in Norway, and probably make around $50 per hour. Not sure if Akirei Scytale really thought this through.


Maybe it just hasn't occurred to you that there are a significant number of people that have to make a little in order for a small amount of people to make a lot. In any country, every person that is a high earner, is doing so at the expense of 100s or even 1000s of people that are now low earners. For mid-earners, they operate in the range of 3-7 people earning less, so they can earn more.

There is only so much money in the world, and the way it is handled and dispersed to the population is in a fashion that suits the ones controlling it.

Take for example a product that sells for 15$ on the shelf at a local convenience store. 1200 people work in factories and fields to produce that product for resale, and a small handfull of people profit from its actual sale.

Say the CEO makes 400K a year, and each of his upper staff and directors make 100K plus a year, which accounts for a total of 14 employees, and a bunch of mid-level staff make 50-80K per year, (we'll say 100), so now we've got gross revenues paying for 114 staff out of 1200 with available revenues for payroll on a product that will never really retail for more than 15$ on store shelves.

So now we've got a bunch of minor employees, (who in fact do most of the work), earning 20-30K per year out of the remaining revenues for payroll.

That's 1086 people earning in the 20-30K mark producing, packaging, and distributing a product for resale that retails at around $15, (their average earnings per hour or more), 100 people earning 50-80K for watching over them and handling sales and marketing, 13 people making 100K a year for making corporate decisions and talking to people, and 1 guy making 400K a year for essentially doing nothing.

The rest of the world works the same way. 1 person on top, a few people under him/her, and some more people beyong that who are well to do, and the rest just work and get by.

But in any developed nation, less than $15/hr. is sodding poor income. In some other countries, it may be a lot and hard to come by, and those countries may see greater differences between rich and poor than others, but in most countries, that or more is fairly standard. And yet, is it really a measure of income when its buying power changes depending on where you are.

Akirei isn't really wrong, so much as you are poorly understanding of his/her perspective. Incidently, I earn $15/hr. 36 years old, working in the Electrical trades as an apprentice. I've never earned more, and more often earned less.
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-06-04 11:05:29 UTC
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#58 - 2012-06-04 11:06:50 UTC
Never didn't pay to play, haven't used Plex.

Tal

Josef Djugashvilis
#59 - 2012-06-04 11:10:23 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
George Whitebread wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
It is significantly cheaper from a time investment perspective to pony over the subscription. If it takes you less time to make 500m ISK than it does to make $15, then you ought to re-evaluate your priorities.



Probably in most poor countries, in richest ones if you can't make 15$ per hour you did it all wrong.


Indeed. I live and work in Norway, and probably make around $50 per hour. Not sure if Akirei Scytale really thought this through.


Maybe it just hasn't occurred to you that there are a significant number of people that have to make a little in order for a small amount of people to make a lot. In any country, every person that is a high earner, is doing so at the expense of 100s or even 1000s of people that are now low earners. For mid-earners, they operate in the range of 3-7 people earning less, so they can earn more.

There is only so much money in the world, and the way it is handled and dispersed to the population is in a fashion that suits the ones controlling it.

Take for example a product that sells for 15$ on the shelf at a local convenience store. 1200 people work in factories and fields to produce that product for resale, and a small handfull of people profit from its actual sale.

Say the CEO makes 400K a year, and each of his upper staff and directors make 100K plus a year, which accounts for a total of 14 employees, and a bunch of mid-level staff make 50-80K per year, (we'll say 100), so now we've got gross revenues paying for 114 staff out of 1200 with available revenues for payroll on a product that will never really retail for more than 15$ on store shelves.

So now we've got a bunch of minor employees, (who in fact do most of the work), earning 20-30K per year out of the remaining revenues for payroll.

That's 1086 people earning in the 20-30K mark producing, packaging, and distributing a product for resale that retails at around $15, (their average earnings per hour or more), 100 people earning 50-80K for watching over them and handling sales and marketing, 13 people making 100K a year for making corporate decisions and talking to people, and 1 guy making 400K a year for essentially doing nothing.

The rest of the world works the same way. 1 person on top, a few people under him/her, and some more people beyong that who are well to do, and the rest just work and get by.

But in any developed nation, less than $15/hr. is sodding poor income. In some other countries, it may be a lot and hard to come by, and those countries may see greater differences between rich and poor than others, but in most countries, that or more is fairly standard. And yet, is it really a measure of income when its buying power changes depending on where you are.

Akirei isn't really wrong, so much as you are poorly understanding of his/her perspective. Incidently, I earn $15/hr. 36 years old, working in the Electrical trades as an apprentice. I've never earned more, and more often earned less.


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Holy One
Privat Party
#60 - 2012-06-04 12:16:51 UTC
No. Eve isn't worth real money.

:)