EVE General Discussion

Give it time.

That's still just a transaction between players — the actual ISK sunk to create those ships (by using NPC build slots) remains the same and isn't affected by minerals. Granted, the transaction comes at a slight cost in the form of fees and taxes, but it's not “a lot higher”, even with the bump in taxes we saw in Inferno.

Also, Bounties and missions are ISK faucets, and you do not “convert“ ISK into ships and modules except in a few very specific circumstances. For every-day industry, you're mainly just shuffling ISK around a lot.

::mashes face into keyboard::

Okay. It doesn't matter if a unit of Veldspar costs 5 billion ISK, it doesn't affect the overall reservoir of ISK within the economy, so you could buy 10 million units of it at that price and the amount of ISK in circulation remains almost static. All that happens is more ISK is moved between players within the 'basin' as it were. None is added to the economy and none (besides a tiny market transaction or contract cost - the 'sink') is removed.

While I completely agree that ISK sinks/faucets are as outlined here (Since I also value words keeping their original meaning and we make new words if we want to mean something new), the common perception that things are ISK "printing machines" are not as far-fetched as some might say.
Whether it is moon-goo, T2 BPO's or drone alloys (Neither of which injected ISK into EVE), they do result in value, which I think is the reason that some can and does confuse the two. Moon-goo is actually overall an ISK sink - in order to have POS'es ISK has to leave the game - but in terms of value it does create a lot. That value can be translated into ISK, and often quite a lot ISK. Since people with less interest in economy may use value and money interchangeably, I think this is where the confusion arises (Unless, of course, someone has something to gain by playing dumb).
It'd go something like this:
Moon goo = Value.
Since Value = ISK, then Moon goo = ISK.

That logic is flawed of course, but it's quite easy to follow and without prior knowledge of economy (Both IRL & EVE) it could seem reasonable.

This, as I started saying, is no excuse for abusing those poor, innocent definitions of words, but it is an explanation as to why at least some people do.

For the most part except for unsubs and lp store purchases (and a small part taxes) ISK stays in the system and just moves around.

If you look at moon goo in terms of the POS modules etc. that it requires, then you're correct it actually is a tiny ISK sink. Or rather, the manufacturing slots and transaction fees involved with creating the POS modules and fuel blocks etc., results in an overall minor ISK sink.

Someone also just pointed out to me PI is also a minor ISK sink (with NPC sold structures and customs office fees).

edit: which was already included in Tippia's list I really need sleep.

WRONG ONLY WAY MINERAL PRICES ARE AN ISK SINK IS DUE TO (usually only ) A ONE TIME NOW 1.5% (sometime 0 if you mine your self or maybe for the most part at most 2 time) TAX ON TRANSACTIONS OF THE MINERALS

That was a real nice post, OP, but it's pointless as people still wont differenciate isk and ressources.

I was pretty sure it ended up as a faucet, just because the very expensive ships only get insured when we KNOW we are gonna lose them. Capital pilots don't insure unless the FC says we are gonna die(carriers typically last 6 months+), T2 ships are not worth insuring generally, and T1 ships always get insured because they die in droves.

Glad the numbers were hammers out tho

now, given the volume of market transactions, is the 1.5% really so insignificant? 1% isn't much on a million isk transaction, but 1% of a million of those transactions is huge. Its not significant to individuals, but its very significant to the economy as a whole.