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An Open Letter to the Minmatar Militia

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Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#61 - 2012-06-04 12:52:33 UTC
Ambrose Brutus wrote:
Hehe. A sight to behold. Slavers now fighting amongst themselves. *grins*


Yeah, it's happened before. It involved ARETR, a corp that later moved to nullsec, and a nullsec alliance that now mostly stays out of militia affairs.

This time around, both combatants will remain and the 'nullsec alliance' connection will remain what it is. I might prefer things turn out as the earlier 'civil war' did, but other people will see the likely outcome as better for the war. And if we're reeaally lucky, FW might get cyno jammers over this. PL's not making anyone cry about it anymore.

p.s. I will be selling mobile warp disruptors at Sahtogas station. Reasonably priced and conveniently located! All sizes available! You can dock and deploy one right away!
Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-06-04 12:55:28 UTC
Well, I don't think anyone has been particularly diplomatic. However, I'm inclined to follow propaganda- a civil war would be way too awesome. So....YEAH LETS DO THIS!

Also, is there another forum dedicated to FW, official or un-official? This one is kind of annoying. And I think literally half our corp has warnings or bans on it.
DurrDurrDurr
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Test Alliance Please Ignore
#63 - 2012-06-04 13:02:33 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Ambrose Brutus wrote:
Hehe. A sight to behold. Slavers now fighting amongst themselves. *grins*


Yeah, it's happened before. It involved ARETR, a corp that later moved to nullsec, and a nullsec alliance that now mostly stays out of militia affairs.

This time around, both combatants will remain and the 'nullsec alliance' connection will remain what it is. I might prefer things turn out as the earlier 'civil war' did, but other people will see the likely outcome as better for the war. And if we're reeaally lucky, FW might get cyno jammers over this. PL's not making anyone cry about it anymore.

p.s. I will be selling mobile warp disruptors at Sahtogas station. Reasonably priced and conveniently located! All sizes available! You can dock and deploy one right away!


Fweddit is mostly new players and highsec players that have joined FW.

There are only a few 0.0 alts, and even fewer than that in leadership positions. I don't know where you got the idea that we're mostly alts from; Fweddit was formed in the /r/eve subreddit on Reddit, and the original membership consists mostly of people who either couldn't get into Dreddit or didn't like Dreddit/nullsec. The insinuation that we're heavily connected to 0.0 is pretty false.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#64 - 2012-06-04 13:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuehnelt
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
people ridiculing Fweddit ... TEST/GSF alts


You see this post from a member of TEST with a name similar to yours?

You see all - or any - of Shylari's sabre rattling about her 'mains' who "don't care about sec status", etc.? There was a huge log posted to r/fweddit that may as well as begun "HI, I'm Fweddit's diplomat. Tell this guy of yours to STFU or TEST will come and beat you up."

Quote:
f you can get your members to shut up and stop being total morons in militia chat about (Fweddit) ... are worthless, don't help the Amarr militia at all


Huh, are you thinking of Shylari's completely fictional vision of us sneering that frigs and dessies are useless?

Quote:
and then dickwave about their own (stupid) personal PVP stats


Oh, I've seen this 'dickwaving', and I've especially seen it from Cynthia. It goes like this: someone from your corp - famously Shylari - dismisses plexing, says that they'd rather PvP than plex; Cynthia cites her killboard stats as proof that plexing leads to PvP; some neurosis causes that person from your corp to forget the discussion and rant for a bit about how worthless KB stats are (bearing in mind that nobody has said otherwise, nor proceeds to argue otherwise); and then.... well, last time, that person ended up sneering at ARETR's stats in that 'completely fictional' image above.

Quote:
elitist PVP stats assfaces.


Very situational 'PVP stats assfaces' who only think to sneer about it right after a "plex? I'd rather roam. You should probably stop avoiding PvP, or staying docked up all the time, or running all the time."

Durr, Your problems are 1. Shylari, and 2. your total blindness to problem #1. You'd have these exact same problems no matter what militia you're in, or whoever else is in that militia.

And apart from the incredibly apt 'neurosis', I'm being so ******* polite here that it doesn't even count as not having shut up, as my leaked correspondence reveals I promised to. I'm just helping you out, man, since you took the trouble to spell out how bizarre and wrong your received narrative is.
DurrDurrDurr
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Test Alliance Please Ignore
#65 - 2012-06-04 13:28:22 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
people ridiculing Fweddit ... TEST/GSF alts


You see this post from a member of TEST with a name similar to yours?

You see all - or any - of Shylari's sabre rattling about her 'mains' who "don't care about sec status", etc.? There was a huge log posted to r/fweddit that may as well as begun "HI, I'm Fweddit's diplomat. Tell this guy of yours to STFU or TEST will come and beat you up."

Quote:
f you can get your members to shut up and stop being total morons in militia chat about (Fweddit) ... are worthless, don't help the Amarr militia at all


Huh, are you thinking of Shylari's completely fictional vision of us sneering that frigs and dessies are useless?

Quote:
and then dickwave about their own (stupid) personal PVP stats


Oh, I've seen this 'dickwaving', and I've especially seen it from Cynthia. It goes like this: someone from your corp - famously Shylari - dismisses plexing, says that they'd rather PvP than plex; Cynthia cites her killboard stats as proof that plexing leads to PvP; some neurosis causes that person from your corp to forget the discussion and rant for a bit about how worthless KB stats are (bearing in mind that nobody has said otherwise, nor proceeds to argue otherwise); and then.... well, last time, that person ended up sneering at ARETR's stats in that 'completely fictional' image above.

Quote:
elitist PVP stats assfaces.


Very situational 'PVP stats assfaces' who only think to sneer about it right after a "plex? I'd rather roam. You should probably stop avoiding PvP, or staying docked up all the time, or running all the time."

Durr, Your problems are 1. Shylari, and 2. your total blindness to problem #1. You'd have these exact same problems no matter what militia you're in, or whoever else is in that militia.

And apart from the incredibly apt 'neurosis', I'm being so ******* polite here that it doesn't even count as not having shut up, as my leaked correspondence reveals I promised to. I'm just helping you out, man, since you took the trouble to spell out how bizarre and wrong your received narrative is.


I can respond to like 90% of this post with "you started it".
DurrDurrDurr
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Test Alliance Please Ignore
#66 - 2012-06-04 13:31:27 UTC
As for Shylari, there's a reason we have two diplos; if you don't like him, PM me instead :happysun:
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#67 - 2012-06-04 13:41:21 UTC
Stop hating on plexers , they are human too !
Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-06-04 14:23:01 UTC
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
As for Shylari, there's a reason we have two diplos; if you don't like him, PM me instead :happysun:



protip: you should probably still talk to Shylari.
Oshun Stranje
Aenos Phlegomenos
#69 - 2012-06-04 16:26:11 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
There was a huge log posted to r/fweddit that may as well as begun "HI, I'm Fweddit's diplomat. Tell this guy of yours to STFU or TEST will come and beat you up."

How many times do we have to tell you, we're not part of TE-oh screw it, I give up!

Kuehnelt wrote:
It goes like this: someone from your corp - famously Shylari - dismisses plexing, says that they'd rather PvP than plex;

Because, ya know, we never plex, systems just capture themselves because they love us so much. Must be our sunny disposition.

Kuehnelt wrote:
Cynthia cites her killboard stats as proof that plexing leads to PvP; some neurosis causes that person from your corp to forget the discussion and rant for a bit about how worthless KB stats are (bearing in mind that nobody has said otherwise, nor proceeds to argue otherwise); and then.... well, last time, that person ended up sneering at ARETR's stats in that 'completely fictional' image above.

You really just don't understand how little we care about your KB stats do you?

Kuehnelt wrote:
You'd have these exact same problems no matter what militia you're in, or whoever else is in that militia.

I don't know, the minnies seem to like us well enough, as do a number of people in our own militia. In fact, we really only have problems with you and a couple of other very vocal people. Shame we can't wardec individual pilots.

Kuehnelt wrote:
And apart from the incredibly apt 'neurosis', I'm being so ******* polite here that it doesn't even count as not having shut up, as my leaked correspondence reveals I promised to. I'm just helping you out, man, since you took the trouble to spell out how bizarre and wrong your received narrative is.

I'm just going to point out that polite and asterisks do not generally go hand in hand.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#70 - 2012-06-04 16:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Milton Middleson
Quote:
You really just don't understand how little we care about your KB stats do you?

You make an assertion, someone pulls out a citation from a book that demonstrates you are incorrect, and then you proclaim that reading is for losers.

This is what your reply amounts to. No fucks need to be given about isk efficiency or kill/death ration for a KB to provide empirical evidence for something.

Quote:
How many times do we have to tell you, we're not part of TE[ST]

Then tell your leadership to stop acting like it.

edit: That said, Amarr 7th Fleet is pretty lame.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#71 - 2012-06-04 16:46:14 UTC
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
If you can get your members to shut up and stop being total morons in militia chat

Roll

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro

Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2012-06-04 16:53:10 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:

You see all - or any - of Shylari's sabre rattling about her 'mains' who "don't care about sec status", etc.? There was a huge log posted to r/fweddit that may as well as begun "HI, I'm Fweddit's diplomat. Tell this guy of yours to STFU or TEST will come and beat you up."


It began with him asking for a diplomat, and having some random line member try to solve the problem which clearly wasn't his to solve.

I am one of the people who has alts/mains in TEST, and the majority of the corp is not. It's made up of redditors, most of whom don't like TEST or don't qualify to join it (or both). TEST gave us 10 bil as a friendly, "hey, we're both based out of reddit, have some fun" money. As far as I know, DHD is the only high-ish ranking member of TEST in any sort of leadership position in Fweddit.

Shy was not insinuating that we're going to drop a 200 man alpha fleet on your head (or rohk fleet, can't stop the rohk!), he was letting you know that we aren't idiots, that we've done PvP before, that we don't need your help, and that we'll happily shoot at you. TEST does not care what we do or what we are doing, and they aren't going to fly all the way from Delve to help us take out an I-Hub or you.

Kuehnelt wrote:

And apart from the incredibly apt 'neurosis', I'm being so ******* polite here that it doesn't even count as not having shut up, as my leaked correspondence reveals I promised to. I'm just helping you out, man, since you took the trouble to spell out how bizarre and wrong your received narrative is.


Sure, real polite.
space chikun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-06-04 16:55:18 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
If you can get your members to shut up and stop being total morons in militia chat

Roll


:hitler:
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-06-04 17:34:34 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
DurrDurrDurr wrote:
If you can get your members to shut up and stop being total morons in militia chat

Roll


Yes, FHP- Please regale us with more interesting tales as to how 40 Arty Thrashers can Alpha a Vindicator with Triage Reps.

Or how a Rapier can kill a 50 man thrasher gang solo.

Or any of the other nonsense you spit out into militia/local that makes you look completely pants on head ********.
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-06-04 17:48:46 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Very situational 'PVP stats assfaces' who only think to sneer about it right after a "plex? I'd rather roam. You should probably stop avoiding PvP, or staying docked up all the time, or running all the time."

Durr, Your problems are 1. Shylari, and 2. your total blindness to problem #1. You'd have these exact same problems no matter what militia you're in, or whoever else is in that militia.

And apart from the incredibly apt 'neurosis', I'm being so ******* polite here that it doesn't even count as not having shut up, as my leaked correspondence reveals I promised to. I'm just helping you out, man, since you took the trouble to spell out how bizarre and wrong your received narrative is.



Plexes
Actually, we do cap plexes, offensive and defensive. Your little photo is missing the basic idea that timers are literally the worst thing ever, and those of us actually from nullsec don't enjoy them. We even run them, in several small fleets to get the damn job done.

But you know- the directors did not have a 30 minute conversation with our members as to why there is literally no excuse to not be capturing plexes with 4-5 man gangs to not only get a feel for small gang pvp, but to get people some basic experience running fleets. Our entire purpose right now, is to take people that have never PvP'd before and make them feel COMFORTABLE living in a low sec environment.


Killboard Stats
Also- Killboard stats mean literally nothing. You can sit in empire your entire time playing this game, wardecing random nullsec alliancs and ganking shuttles, newb ships, industrials and frigates on undocks and have amazing killboard stats. You can sit in a bottleneck between 2 trade hubs, wait for someone to suicide a freighter, whore onto it with an ibis, and have good killboard stats. Efficiency is stupid, K:D Ratios are bad, and over all kills are no indicator of skill. It just means you pushed F1 at the same time as a bunch of other nerds and something exploded.

That said, linking a killmail for something you killed (like Susan Black's wtfRokh fit) isn't 'caring about kb stats' its just our way of saying, "Hey- we hazed this nerd".


"You guys don't get FW... blah blah blah"
I love the people that knock us for saying that we don't understand how plexes work, there might be a little fog surrounding that whole topic, but its not exactly difficult to figure out. Seriously though, we laugh at the idiots that consistently say that we don't know how to fight in them...

Because being 100% sure what the enemy ship types are, and literally EXACTLY where they will land at 0 doesn't take out 99% of the challenge that those of us from nullsec are used to. Nor does it give us an in system place to split their fleet, or tactically retreat. Like in Raa, when those LNA Faction Battleships landed on the Ihub, we went and capp'd the minor while they got bored (and most of the friendlies ran away).

Me as a Diplo
My job in FWeddit isn't to make nice and blue literally everything that says it's "Amarr Militia", its essentially to create content for my members. Before we could get into FW (pre-inferno) we went to CVA space and cut our teeth there killing their tryhards.

Did they ask for a diplo? Yes.
Did I tell them where to go? Absolutely.

We are not YOUR version of a FW entity. Deal with it.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#76 - 2012-06-04 18:22:57 UTC
Flyhotpocket, because 50 trashers can alpha a Vindicator.

VOTE FHP, IMPERIAL NAVY COMMODORE '64!
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#77 - 2012-06-04 18:50:19 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Hell yeah. Came from null as well back in the day and thought my skills as a leet-fleet-sheep would make me :awesome:. Turns out that actual pew is a challenge and proper fun when every ship in an engagement counts (ie. small gangs <20) ... combined with size restrictions that encourage flying smaller hulls (no more 100% BC/BS!) and the fun factor is elevated even further when losses are much easier to shrug off.


We've been having a blast losing dozens of thrashers a day, chasing the minmatar militia around, and scaring off the local pirate population; in frigates and destroyers- while generally laughing in the face of the try-hards in militia chat that look down on our 'terrible fits' because they don't understand 20 terrible ships > 3 good ships in most engagements.



I am not a fan of people making fun of new players fits. But anyway I don't think most of your fits are so terrible. Not many t2 guns but if you don't have the skills what can you do?

But I see you guys have taken close to 30 billion isk in a bit over a month. How are you guys supporting this? Are you able to sustain the losses by cashing in your amarr lp?


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-06-04 19:03:51 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Shylari Avada wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Hell yeah. Came from null as well back in the day and thought my skills as a leet-fleet-sheep would make me :awesome:. Turns out that actual pew is a challenge and proper fun when every ship in an engagement counts (ie. small gangs <20) ... combined with size restrictions that encourage flying smaller hulls (no more 100% BC/BS!) and the fun factor is elevated even further when losses are much easier to shrug off.


We've been having a blast losing dozens of thrashers a day, chasing the minmatar militia around, and scaring off the local pirate population; in frigates and destroyers- while generally laughing in the face of the try-hards in militia chat that look down on our 'terrible fits' because they don't understand 20 terrible ships > 3 good ships in most engagements.



I am not a fan of people making fun of new players fits. But anyway I don't think most of your fits are so terrible. Not many t2 guns but if you don't have the skills what can you do?

But I see you guys have taken close to 30 billion isk in a bit over a month. How are you guys supporting this? Are you able to sustain the losses by cashing in your amarr lp?





A sizable nest egg helped, and we take faction loot and sell it for more thrashers.

Thrashers are our currency
Gattie
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-06-04 19:07:25 UTC
I think we spent about 3bill of the 10bill buying thrashers and frigs with T1 fittings. Most of us don't fly anything higher than thrasher but we have people flying faction frigs, T2 frigs and even battleships. Thrashers cost under 1mill isk and the whole fitting should cost under 2 mill (1.5mill?). Its really fun because we constantly kill BCs, BS and everything smaller. We have few people with access to ships hanger and those people give ships out as people loose them.

We are just collecting the LP until we get more systems for amarr. LP to isk rate is pretty bad right now so we can't cash in just yet.
Oshun Stranje
Aenos Phlegomenos
#80 - 2012-06-04 19:10:20 UTC
Cearain wrote:


But I see you guys have taken close to 30 billion isk in a bit over a month. How are you guys supporting this? Are you able to sustain the losses by cashing in your amarr lp?


I'm fairly certain a significant portion of that comes from those who can afford more expensive ships, and thus those costs are covered by the people who fly those ships. Even at the rate we're burning through them, I'd be surprised if we'd somehow managed to blow 30 bil on frigs and dessies alone.