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cpu rigs - prenerfed for your frustration
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Saracena
Infinatech
#1 - 2012-06-02 16:22:05 UTC
I can use t2 ACR's but not overclocking units because....why?


Fix the calibration to match ACR's, While you're at it, remove the penalty for shield on them as well. If you're going to use a cpu rig you've already gimped any passive setup you may be putting together anyway.

I can use t2 ACR's for grid but not t2 overclocking units because of the excessive calibration cost, which is there for no good reason whatsoever. Look at the usage numbers for the t2 varieties of this rig and scratch your collective heads a bit.

Then fix them.
Rastino
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-06-02 22:45:23 UTC
You might try this thing calles CPU inplants.... Works great for the rest of us.
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-06-03 11:06:01 UTC
Rastino wrote:
You might try this thing calles CPU inplants.... Works great for the rest of us.



But why created CPU rigs when that's is unuseable ?
Rastino
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-06-04 06:43:01 UTC
You can still use CPU rigs....
The calibration cost on them might have somthing to do with halacing in regarts to the fitting you coul make otherwise... Just saing.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2012-06-04 13:36:40 UTC
Saracena wrote:
because of the excessive calibration cost, which is there for no good reason whatsoever.

No. Just because they don't behave how you WANT them to and just because you can't see the justification in their calibration cost does NOT mean it's like that "for no good reason". I suspect CCP determined that stacking them they way you do ACRs allowed unintended fits, and adjusted calibration accordingly.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Grand Zap
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-07 16:07:39 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Saracena wrote:
because of the excessive calibration cost, which is there for no good reason whatsoever.

No. Just because they don't behave how you WANT them to and just because you can't see the justification in their calibration cost does NOT mean it's like that "for no good reason". I suspect CCP determined that stacking them they way you do ACRs allowed unintended fits, and adjusted calibration accordingly.


Allowed unintended fits?

This is another way of saying; "Just because they don't behave how CCP WANTS them to and just because CCP can't see the justification in your suggested lowered calibration cost does NOT mean it's like that "for no good reason""

I see, so your argument is that CCP is God and is always right about balancing. Lulz.




The entire idea of EVE Online is the Sandbox. We haven't even been given time to use the sandbox to prove whether it is or is not "overpowered", so it is why people are not happy about it being pre-nerfed for your frustration.

I consider this calibration cost a war on glass cannons and perhaps specifically Caldari, as the implications for missiles would be stunning.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#7 - 2012-06-07 16:32:41 UTC

I think asking CCP for the reasoning behind the large calibration cost on t2 CPU rigs is totally reasonable.

POU gives a 7.1% CPU increase for 150 Calibration cost.
POU II gives a 9.6% CPU increase for a 300 Calibration cost. ( 35% improvement, but costs 100% more)

In comparison to the ACR

ACR gives a 10% bonus to PG for a 100 Calibration Cost.
ACR II gives a 15% bonus to PG for a 150 Calibration Cost (50% improvement, but cost 50% more).

In fact, most t2 rigs have a 50% increase in Calibration cost for a 20-50% increase in performance.

So the question is, why does the POU have a 100% increase in Calibration cost, instead of a 50%?

Is this a bug? <-- It easily could be, in which case a change isn't out of line!
Is this intentional? <-- If it is, asking for an explanation is very reasonable. If it does unbalance something, then it shouldn't be changed. However, currently I'm oblivious as to what it might be unbalancing, and I'd like to know!
TravelBuoy
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-07 16:45:39 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I think asking CCP for the reasoning behind the large calibration cost on t2 CPU rigs is totally reasonable.

POU gives a 7.1% CPU increase for 150 Calibration cost.
POU II gives a 9.6% CPU increase for a 300 Calibration cost. ( 35% improvement, but costs 100% more)

In comparison to the ACR

ACR gives a 10% bonus to PG for a 100 Calibration Cost.
ACR II gives a 15% bonus to PG for a 150 Calibration Cost (50% improvement, but cost 50% more).

In fact, most t2 rigs have a 50% increase in Calibration cost for a 20-50% increase in performance.

So the question is, why does the POU have a 100% increase in Calibration cost, instead of a 50%?

Is this a bug? <-- It easily could be, in which case a change isn't out of line!
Is this intentional? <-- If it is, asking for an explanation is very reasonable. If it does unbalance something, then it shouldn't be changed. However, currently I'm oblivious as to what it might be unbalancing, and I'd like to know!



+1
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#9 - 2012-06-07 19:30:42 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Is this intentional? <-- If it is, asking for an explanation is very reasonable. If it does unbalance something, then it shouldn't be changed. However, currently I'm oblivious as to what it might be unbalancing, and I'd like to know!



It "might" be unbalancing gang link ships.... To my understanding, the pressence of CPU rigs have made fitting 6 links on a single ship very doable, and if you could fit multiple t2 cpu rigs to a ship, it might enhance the problem....

If t2 POU's were 225 instead of 300, then you could fit a t2 and a t1 POU on a single tech 1 or tech 3 hull. I don't really know if this is a problem or not, but it might be the reason behind the strange calibration cost.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2012-06-07 21:11:38 UTC
Grand Zap wrote:
CCP is God


Actually, yes they are. In New Eden, CCP is the giver and taker of everything.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#11 - 2012-06-08 16:28:01 UTC
This new rig seems good to me.

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