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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#161 - 2012-06-03 15:37:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
How does he get his profit? Oh, are you still insisting on using the most expensive mods you can to mine?


T2 strip miners and T2 MAPC aren't what you would call 'cheap'.


Maybe you forgot, but you asked for a Covetor who could tank a Catalyst. By your original rules, I could have skipped the Strips, so Where's My Money?


All of our suggestions for Covetors include the implied "fit it cheap, dumbass"

It's not worth 2 people ganking it, and will survive a Solo gank.

I actually improved my fit a little on the ISK drop front:



[Covetor, Covetor Miner]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

5x ECM drones

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-06-03 15:40:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
1) The Covetor is insurable.
2) HS mining has around a 30m ISK/hr income
3) The fittings available to drop are worth a total of 10m Isk (50% is likely to drop). The two Catalysts required to gank it are worth 10m Isk. There's no bounty on Covetors. Nobody's going to bother.
4) Where's My Money?


1) And?
2) 20M in Hulk with max skills + both implants + max skilled Orca booster with T2 links. Not going to happen in Covetor.
3) One Catalyst is enough in 0.5 space.
4) 22k EHP Covetor fit with T2 strips and without implants -> you get your 5M.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#163 - 2012-06-03 15:40:34 UTC
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Wilma Lawson wrote:
If the devs intended it not to be used the high sec, then they wouldn't have allowed. it.

The intended for bombers, HICs, and DICs to be used in highsec?

Problem is, the only realistic way to prevent it would be to make strips not work in highsec, which would neuter barges, which ARE meant to be used that way.

Exactly, then weird rules come into play that don't make much logical sense, but does seem to make some game mechanic sense. So really, Eve isn't a sandbox.

You are right, because people whined about bombs and bubbles being to powerful for highsec, and their carebearing being to hard to do.

Sound familiar? This is what we want to prevent getting worse.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#164 - 2012-06-03 15:41:46 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
1) The Covetor is insurable.
2) HS mining has around a 30m ISK/hr income
3) The fittings available to drop are worth a total of 10m Isk (50% is likely to drop). The two Catalysts required to gank it are worth 10m Isk. There's no bounty on Covetors. Nobody's going to bother.
4) Where's My Money?


1) And?
2) 20M in Hulk with max skills + both implants + max skilled Orca booster with T2 links. Not going to happen in Covetor.
3) One Catalyst is enough in 0.5 space.
4) 22k EHP Covetor fit with T2 strips and without implants -> you get your 5M.

Are you stupid or deaf?

DON'T USE T2 STRIPS DUMBASS!!!

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-06-03 15:44:19 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Are you stupid or deaf?

DON'T USE T2 STRIPS DUMBASS!!!


I too, once, was happy with 10M/hr.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#166 - 2012-06-03 15:46:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
1) The Covetor is insurable.
2) HS mining has around a 30m ISK/hr income
3) The fittings available to drop are worth a total of 10m Isk (50% is likely to drop). The two Catalysts required to gank it are worth 10m Isk. There's no bounty on Covetors. Nobody's going to bother.
4) Where's My Money?


1) And?
2) 20M in Hulk with max skills + both implants + max skilled Orca booster with T2 links. Not going to happen in Covetor.
3) One Catalyst is enough in 0.5 space.
4) 22k EHP Covetor fit with T2 strips and without implants -> you get your 5M.


1) That reduces the cost of getting ganked significantly.
2) Check out the Ore Charts nowadays. Mineral prices have risen.
3) Not for the fit I posted.
4) I'm sorry, you posted a challenge:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

I'll pay you 10 million if you tell how to fit Covetor so it survives solo Catalyst gank in 0.5. And like always we assume ganker is experienced, not newbie.


I fulfilled the terms of your challenge, with a Covetor that can tank 1 Gank Catalyst for the 20s that it takes for CONCORD to respond.

Where's My Money?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#167 - 2012-06-03 15:46:47 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Are you stupid or deaf?

DON'T USE T2 STRIPS DUMBASS!!!


I too, once, was happy with 10M/hr.

Is that or is that not better than what you make in a hulk that keeps getting blown up?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#168 - 2012-06-03 15:47:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Are you stupid or deaf?

DON'T USE T2 STRIPS DUMBASS!!!


I too, once, was happy with 10M/hr.


If you want more Money, put some effort into it and Mine Aligned or Mine Using D-Scan with a 2x MLUII Hulk.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2012-06-03 15:56:52 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Wilma Lawson wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Wilma Lawson wrote:
If the devs intended it not to be used the high sec, then they wouldn't have allowed. it.

The intended for bombers, HICs, and DICs to be used in highsec?

Problem is, the only realistic way to prevent it would be to make strips not work in highsec, which would neuter barges, which ARE meant to be used that way.

Exactly, then weird rules come into play that don't make much logical sense, but does seem to make some game mechanic sense. So really, Eve isn't a sandbox.

You are right, because people whined about bombs and bubbles being to powerful for highsec, and their carebearing being to hard to do.

Sound familiar? This is what we want to prevent getting worse.

Perhaps, but I'd also swing it the other way. Too many people did those things too many times and it became an issue.
Sound familiar? This is a game after all and the purpose is to allow ALL the gamers to have fun. ANY extreme is bad. If CCP strictly caters to the ganker side, then the game will shut down. if it caters to those who want to make High Sec safe, it ruins Eve making it something it wasn't supposed to be.

So basically, it seems as if the past is going to be repeated, by the same people claiming to stop it. Of course, I have no stats on any of that to back it up, but if what you say is true; then people need to think and cogitate and maybe find they are part of the problem. They are also part of the solution.

It seems to me that low/null sec griefers are bored. So it seems that player generated content doesn't work. So much for storyline.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-06-03 16:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
If you want more Money, put some effort into it and Mine Aligned or Mine Using D-Scan with a 2x MLUII Hulk.


For a very small price I could actually do that. Or I could let you gank my Hulk for 500M. Lol
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#171 - 2012-06-03 16:22:42 UTC
Why do people continue to insist that EVE would not continue without the pure miners who make themselves gank targets?

Gunmining still works, tho at a much reduced rate(which is good, mining was completely irrelevant til they gunmining nerf) and more than that, if all the miners quit, then pvpers would make their pvp isk by mining the now actually worthwhile ores.

We DON'T need you guys, tho most of us do want you here because it makes things easier on all fronts. Just stop overestimating your value to the system. Its not as high as you think.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#172 - 2012-06-03 16:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
RubyPorto wrote:

2) HS mining has around a 30m ISK/hr income
3) The fittings available to drop are worth a total of 10m Isk (50% is likely to drop). The two Catalysts required to gank it are worth 10m Isk. There's no bounty on Covetors. Nobody's going to bother.


I just checked with IPH, with your covetor setup you earn 10.6M per hour not 30M. A bit optimistic, aren't us?


Tallian Saotome wrote:

You are right, because people whined about bombs and bubbles being to powerful for highsec, and their carebearing being to hard to do.

Sound familiar? This is what we want to prevent getting worse.


Imagine this, with your wonderful bombers and bubbles (and other "features") you made 0.0 so good that it's a wasteland.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-06-03 16:30:51 UTC
El Loafy wrote:
I'm writing this to see what the General consensus is out there regarding the validity & usefullness of the exhumer & industrial barge Class ships with the ongoing suicide ganking in high sec ..

My Personall opinions are that, as it Stands, if CCP does not beef them up , or beef up the police response in high sec systems then they would be just as well removing these classes from the game .

My reasoned thought on the removal of these classes are that most industrialists can mine safer in a Battleship than a barge in High sec whilst having a sufficient enough tank to make it not worthwhile for Gankers . Whereas in the barge class hulls there are insufficient slots to do so So whats the point in the Class ?

Would like to hear other Reasoned approaches to why they should go or stay ..

Exhumers are worthless atm. Use a Rokh (or other racial turret BS) until the stupid **** passes.

Probably still have utility in Alliance controlled space in 0.0, but HI-Sec, Low-Sec and WH's (lol WH grav sites) probably better off with another ship.

Yeah, CCP could take them out of the game right now.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2012-06-03 16:33:18 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Why do people continue to insist that EVE would not continue without the pure miners who make themselves gank targets?

Gunmining still works, tho at a much reduced rate(which is good, mining was completely irrelevant til they gunmining nerf) and more than that, if all the miners quit, then pvpers would make their pvp isk by mining the now actually worthwhile ores.

We DON'T need you guys, tho most of us do want you here because it makes things easier on all fronts. Just stop overestimating your value to the system. Its not as high as you think.

But apparently you do, otherwise why gank them? Why reply at all to the thread?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#175 - 2012-06-03 16:33:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Are you stupid or deaf?

DON'T USE T2 STRIPS DUMBASS!!!


I too, once, was happy with 10M/hr.


If you want more Money, put some effort into it and Mine Aligned or Mine Using D-Scan with a 2x MLUII Hulk.


IPH says 16.525M per hour in 2 MLU II Hulk.

Clearly worth the investment, having to spam D-Scan all day long and going "glass cannon" yield.

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Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2012-06-03 16:36:55 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
El Loafy wrote:
I'm writing this to see what the General consensus is out there regarding the validity & usefullness of the exhumer & industrial barge Class ships with the ongoing suicide ganking in high sec ..

My Personall opinions are that, as it Stands, if CCP does not beef them up , or beef up the police response in high sec systems then they would be just as well removing these classes from the game .

My reasoned thought on the removal of these classes are that most industrialists can mine safer in a Battleship than a barge in High sec whilst having a sufficient enough tank to make it not worthwhile for Gankers . Whereas in the barge class hulls there are insufficient slots to do so So whats the point in the Class ?

Would like to hear other Reasoned approaches to why they should go or stay ..

Exhumers are worthless atm. Use a Rokh (or other racial turret BS) until the stupid **** passes.

Probably still have utility in Alliance controlled space in 0.0, but HI-Sec, Low-Sec and WH's (lol WH grav sites) probably better off with another ship.

Yeah, CCP could take them out of the game right now.

*sarcasm* Sorry, can't use a Rokh to mine. That's not what the devs intended. Read the ship description! *sarcasm*

Please check the beginning of the thread where this issue is covered.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#177 - 2012-06-03 16:41:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
If you want more Money, put some effort into it and Mine Aligned or Mine Using D-Scan with a 2x MLUII Hulk.


For a very small price I could actually do that. Or I could let you gank my Hulk for 500M. Lol


Not until you pay me the 10m you owe me.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#178 - 2012-06-03 16:44:34 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
If you want more Money, put some effort into it and Mine Aligned or Mine Using D-Scan with a 2x MLUII Hulk.


For a very small price I could actually do that. Or I could let you gank my Hulk for 500M. Lol


Not until you pay me the 10m you owe me.


Don't do it RubyPorto, it's a trap! That's exactly what he wants, if he never pays you the 10mil, he thinks you'll never gank his hulk! Shocked

So close...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#179 - 2012-06-03 16:45:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

For a very small price I could actually do that. Or I could let you gank my Hulk for 500M. Lol


Come on pay RubyPorto. I don't agree in most he says but he is playing his role very well.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#180 - 2012-06-03 16:47:36 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

2) HS mining has around a 30m ISK/hr income
3) The fittings available to drop are worth a total of 10m Isk (50% is likely to drop). The two Catalysts required to gank it are worth 10m Isk. There's no bounty on Covetors. Nobody's going to bother.


I just checked with IPH, with your covetor setup you earn 10.6M per hour not 30M. A bit optimistic, aren't us?


Ok, 4 hours to cover the cost of a replacement.

And I was guessing based on what I remember of HS mining and the fact that Minerals have skyrocketed.

Still don't know why people mine for 10m or 15m Isk per hour ever.

Sounds to me like a Hulk makes no Economic sense in HS right now (5m per hour over a Covetor, 250m Isk more expensive, 50! hour payback). But not making economic sense in one situation doesn't mean it needs a buff.

I'll say again, if the activity does not provide rewards (monetary, psychological, whatever) commensurate with the costs (risk, effort, etc), however you measure those, don't do that activity.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon