EVE General Discussion

if exhumers dont belong in high sec than all T2 ships should get the boot, going by your reasoning.

Which would lead to a mass of inexperienced t2 players. The only way to "ban" them would be to place a time limit on them. Once you leArn to use a hulk you would only have say six weeks of use in high sec before access to them is locked while in high sec

They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available.

You keep drinking the kool-aid, it really does not matter if you are afk mining or at the computer mining. If people do not know how to jack a barge with ease and fast enough so that an active miner cannot escape, then you are doing it wrong. The problem is that people keep throwing out the idea that people are afking to justify their harassment, and fandom for said harassment of players that actually like to mine in eve. Without that idea that they are attacking someone that is not a botter, but playing the game in a manner that is not on par with what they should be doing if they were in 0.0, people might have to stop and think about how big of an ass they are being. But, because someone in 0.0 is giving these mindless, mindfucked, lemmings a directive and funding the harassment with a free isk tap, people do not have to think about their actions.

People do not go out to 0.0 to afk mine. They do not go to 0.0 to mine and go grab a soda. They realize that their play style and ability to superglue themselves to the computer does not work well in 0.0, so they respectively stay out of it as to not grief some alliance by burdening them with a problem that they would become. Instead what we have is a bunch of students, married or single mothers and fathers who want to be a part of eve in some capacity looking for a place where their RL obligations do not interfere with the game of others who can allot more time and mental resources to the game by sticking to hisec. But hey, they are just some assholes trying to afk mine that **** ore that you were never going to bother mining anyways, so yeah, **** em, blow em up repeatedly and harrass the **** out of them until they realize that there is absolute zero space for people that want to be part of the game but cannot, unfortunately, commit as much as you can. Gank the living **** out of them so that you can realize that once they are gone, the prices of ships, mods, and ammo go up and only the 0.0 denizens can truly afford to have much fun. But hey, they paid you to go **** yourself by harassing players out of eve that actually support your play by keeping prices low. CCP is not going to buff the payouts of missions because you, as a whole, ****** yourselves into eve poverty. Good luck with farming those mins as you realize that is what killed the market because the next douche bag, wannabe hotshot "pvper" ganks you because you weren't playing as "hardcore" as he was. that and his 0.0 overlords that couldn't care less about you said to gank you.

GG morons, gg.

If people do not know how to jack a barge with ease and fast enough so that an active miner cannot escape, then you are doing it wrong.

ORE stands for Outer Ring Excavations. A ship made by ORE is meant to be used on the outer regions of the galaxy, AKA null space.

I don't see it like that. They're only here because one part of the community has declared war on them and their 1,463 gunnery skill points aren't really all that useful in this scenario.

I'm writing this to see what the General consensus is out there regarding the validity & usefullness of the exhumer & industrial barge Class ships with the ongoing suicide ganking in high sec ..

My Personall opinions are that, as it Stands, if CCP does not beef them up , or beef up the police response in high sec systems then they would be just as well removing these classes from the game .

My reasoned thought on the removal of these classes are that most industrialists can mine safer in a Battleship than a barge in High sec whilst having a sufficient enough tank to make it not worthwhile for Gankers . Whereas in the barge class hulls there are insufficient slots to do so So whats the point in the Class ?

Would like to hear other Reasoned approaches to why they should go or stay ..

Because, funnily enough, they're too strong…


To put that claim into context, there was a thread a few years back (triggered by an earlier hulkageddon) about what the problem was with the Hulk, and the conclusion was that it's a bit too weak to work well outside of highsec, but too strong for anything you might need and encounter in highsec. Consequently, the barges were largely made obsolete by the existence of those exhumers (and by other, better, T1 mining-capable ships). “Strong” and “weak” meaning, in this case, both the tank and the yield.

Ideally, both barges and exhumers should be buffed, but the latter should be restricted to the actually dangerous parts of space where you need the extra tank and/or the extra yield to survive stronger belt rats and to be able to ninja-mine a big chunk of rocks before you run away (preferably using one less strip miner than usual, since that last highslot will take a cloak). Meanwhile, the barges are buffed to have about as easy a time with the highsec belt rats as the exhumers currently have, but they remain so cheap that they can simply “ISK tank” any player-based attack.

Hmm ... by that logic then, all T2 ships should be limited to Low/Null space?