EVE General Discussion

Using all skills at level 5 is pretty much standard practice for income or fitting discussions not specifically geared to newbies, because otherwise it devolves into "well with *my* skills" annoying festival. And I'm including a 3% implant (18m in Jita) , no Michi's to hit 27.8m Isk mining normal Pyro. A 5% and Michi's hits 29.2m. (Now that I do some more clicking, it does seem that IPH is not including the standard yield implants in its calculations as none of the implants I choose are affecting the yield)

With no implant, you get 26.3m mining standard Veld. And it's still perfectly viable to work in belts safely. You just need to accept some (a lot of) risk or put in a little bit of effort (D-Scan, Aligning, etc All possible without tank).



Every Hisec Miner that I know who could use T2 crystals did so. Back before their income doubled.

Bots are not relevant to this discussion, since the people who mine can choose to change professions just as easily as anyone else IF mining isn't worth it to them (in whatever way they determine worth). Gun mining is no longer a significant source of minerals.

Also, there are bot




I'm trying to convince miners to adapt to changing circumstances. If the income (whatever it is) and assorted benefits (whatever those are) of mining are not sufficient to compensate for the costs (however you measure them) of mining, Do something else. Mineral prices will eventually reach equilibrium where the income and benefits just cover the costs (inc time, etc.).




Ok, then miners need to keep mining things other than Ice until Ice is worthwhile to mine. But they won't because it's the most AFK you can be in EvE and still be making money without risk (aside from gankers, which are only recently common enough to be a significant problem). Just watch the screen once every 12 minutes (right before the second cycle lands, look at your screen and toss the ice into the orca, then toss the ice from the second cycle in the Orca as soon as it hits), with a 6min cycle (I think that's the fastest cycle not sure, but a longer cycle is even more afk), you get 12min to look away.

Again, all of these arguments are simply suggestions that miners (especially the ones motivated by profit, who are unwilling to give up yield) to adapt to changing circumstances. If you're mining for the love of the activity (some are), mine in a manner that lets you mine safely without much effort. If you're mining for profit, you might also have to adapt if you want to make the same profit you used to since your circumstances have changed.

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I guess because the 'description' says they are made to handle deep space.... some have decided that there is no "deep space" in high sec... that it is only located in low or null??? is that it??? lolol

I'll just leave this screenshot here. Taken with trit at 6.39 (i.e. average buy and sell at the time of yesterday's post). Includes Miki's implant and whatever.




In 2 days of casual missioning I got 20km3 of loot.
I was not even expecially lucky, as I only got 2 mercs missions and no EOH (big volume loot).
Sure it's well below the 35k I'd get before the nerf but it's not a "no longer significant source of minerals".




And this comes with a sizable number of closed accounts, as all those alts are now worthless.
Also forget spamming D-Scan and whatever in a quad box.

I suppose CCP will ~Dealz wiz it~. Maybe with another 20% layoffs.




3 Orcas per 100 miners. All the others don't have your luxury things nor are nerds with 4-5 accounts just to obey nullsec overlords.
With the rising costs it will stay 3 Orcas per 100 miners.




I don't see a problem. Let them come with PvP ships and wrestle their way in.

Fly logi and discover just how many people turn lockback off.

Every single fleet I have to tell 2-3 people minimum to turn that off and stop shooting my scimi.

Would the players who rarely every fly with people, much less friendlies who would lock them for support mods like RR be likely to know about it, or know to turn it off?

What game mechanical differences (that affect ship to ship combat) are there between High and Lowsec aside from the lack of CONCORD in lowsec?



Ok, I fire the bubble at a random freighter on the Perimiter gate. No CONCORD when I shoot the freighter with other stuff. If it's an agressive act to fire the thing, then I just reduced my cost to gank from whatever it takes to alpha a Freighter to whatever the T2 Dessie (I think that's the hull you suggested) that fires this thing is worth (most expensive T2 Dessie is generously 140m) compared to the near Billion isk worth of Nados it needs today. Not quite an FFA, but close.




And yet, people still have it on. Just like people still try to semi-afk mine in belts.

My alt flies both orca and rorq. I do not mine with either account(except occasionally to take a retriever ice mining solo because I need gas).

Every ship in Eve can be ganked in high-sec, so does that mean they are all dead lines?

I tried that once when the Noctis came out. Gave up right quick and trained that toon up to a Domi to add DPS. Salvaging in a Noctis is too much of a clickfest to efficiently run a mission at the same time (at least for me).



Does the Orca not haul? Anyway, if people just warp to station every cycle, they can get a friend/alt and web each other so they can mine aligned to a safe. You've just shown that miners are able to work together.



Vast majority of HS mining corps are filled with casual players. If wardec, then drop corp and continue as normal. Seriously, wardecs have very little practical effect on mining corps. You can also disband the corp and create a new one with the same name (from what I heard in another thread, could have misread in which case, with a similar name).



Gank ships are cheap. So long as you pod, Sec status hits aren't severe, especially since you only need to kill enough Cats to make the gank fail.

what tool/calculator are you using?

I work 72 hours a week and manage to be in a corp. Irregular times and casual play are no barriers to getting into a corp or taking other steps to protect yourself.