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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#361 - 2012-06-04 16:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
I agree with the consensus that they have no place in high sec, but have their use in low/null when one can mine in a group and be 'proactive' about your security. Who cares about how thin a hulk's tank is when you've got friendly combat ships guarding the gates/mining fleet and proactively engaging would-be-gankers.

T1 mining barges are ideal for high sec mining. They mine enough to be fairly efficient, their drones can handle high sec rat spawns all by themselves... and they pull in enough minerals to pay for themselves much faster than Hulks so replacing them from ganks is easier and less painful, especially since you can insure them. If you are willing to risk a Jet can, you can mine solo pretty well. But it is better to have a hauler buddy or Orca support to gather your ore.

Not to mention, they aren't included as part of the Hulkageddon bounty, so gankers looking for that 100mil payout won't get any credit for bothering with your ship. That won't stop some gankers from popping you for the evilulz, but mining intelligently and NOT afk can help diminish this.

Even though you aren't pulling in the kinds of minerals in a T1 barge that your Hulk could do, with mineral prices inflated like this, your isk/hour is still strong. That applies to you ice miners too.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#362 - 2012-06-04 17:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
RubyPorto wrote:
The truth behind his numbers is even funnier.
Nah. The funny bit is that I forgot to include the gang mod on the Orca that actually improves the yield… Lol

So let's try that one again.

w/ Mindlinked booster Orca, 1,729m³ ore / minute = 1,037,508 units (dense) veldspar / hour = 23M ISK for the ore.

So Jorma, fire your hauler because he's skimming you for, more than ⅔ of the total haul.

Oh, and this is still with a T1-fit Covetor that has a lowslot left for a suitcase (instant 10k tank) and two rigs left over to do whatever you want with them (more tank, more transfer buffer, better sentry drone damage, whathaveyou). Total loot drop from modules <5M on average, if the ganker is in it for the money.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#363 - 2012-06-04 17:01:50 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
With a Max yield Covetor with T1 Lasers, Orca boosts and the lot, I get 20m doing Pyro (would be 22 with 10% ore) and 19m doing Veld. Just updated my prices from Jita.

PS: Omber even beats your number, coming in at 9.8m.


Set # of miners to 1.

you know, I've done some trolling in my time but this takes the cake

good work

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#364 - 2012-06-04 17:02:59 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
1) I don't want to cut into my isk per hour profits
2) I want to make lots of isk mining
3) I want to make lots of isk mining veldspar


The fact that it doesn't matter what ship you use for mining: Bantam or 300k+ EHP Orca. It will be ganked.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#365 - 2012-06-04 17:04:18 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
The fact that it doesn't matter what ship you use for mining: Bantam or 300k+ EHP Orca. It will be ganked.
…and the fact of the matter is that this detail is 100% irrelevant.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#366 - 2012-06-04 17:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
1) I don't want to cut into my isk per hour profits
2) I want to make lots of isk mining
3) I want to make lots of isk mining veldspar


The fact that it doesn't matter what ship you use for mining: Bantam or 300k+ EHP Orca. It will be ganked.


Now, while I know I was using some level of exageration, I have to admit your exageration is much worse then mine.

WILL BE?
Are you sure? Becuse I've only ever been ganked once while mining in high sec, and it wasn't during hulkageddon.


So no, you're wrong, you will NOT BE ganked while mining. You MIGHT BE, and that's intended!



PS: that was the only thing in my entire rant you cared to address?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#367 - 2012-06-04 17:07:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
1) I don't want to cut into my isk per hour profits
2) I want to make lots of isk mining
3) I want to make lots of isk mining veldspar


The fact that it doesn't matter what ship you use for mining: Bantam or 300k+ EHP Orca. It will be ganked.


Can != Will

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#368 - 2012-06-04 17:08:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The truth behind his numbers is even funnier.
Nah. The funny bit is that I forgot to include the gang mod on the Orca that actually improves the yield… Lol


Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Set # of miners to 1.


^^^ This is why he's getting the numbers he's getting.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#369 - 2012-06-04 17:12:59 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
^^^ This is why he's getting the numbers he's getting.
…oh dear. I recklessly assumed he wasn't a complete idiot and that he meant it was only one Covetor. If he actually means it's only one strip miner, then he should probably try to get a refund on those second-hand ganglia he had implanted to make up for his cerebral deficiencies.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#370 - 2012-06-04 17:15:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
^^^ This is why he's getting the numbers he's getting.
…oh dear. I recklessly assumed he wasn't a complete idiot and that he meant it was only one Covetor. If he actually means it's only one strip miner, then he should probably try to get a refund on those second-hand ganglia he had implanted to make up for his cerebral deficiencies.


Don't you know what happens when you assume? It makes an ass of him.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#371 - 2012-06-04 17:35:58 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
That won't stop some gankers from popping you for the evilulz


This is why mining is dead profession. Now there's more gankers running around and that means there's more of those who do it for lulz.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#372 - 2012-06-04 17:49:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
^^^ This is why he's getting the numbers he's getting.
…oh dear. I recklessly assumed he wasn't a complete idiot and that he meant it was only one Covetor. If he actually means it's only one strip miner, then he should probably try to get a refund on those second-hand ganglia he had implanted to make up for his cerebral deficiencies.



But by setting the number of blasters on a catalyst to 1, I can instantly make every mining barge ungankable!

My God, this guy's a genius!

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#373 - 2012-06-04 17:56:04 UTC
Bossy Lady wrote:
mining barge ungankable


Does not compute.
Price Check Aisle3
#374 - 2012-06-04 17:59:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Show me 12M/hr tanked Covetor fit then.

Wasn't what I was talking about.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
You get more money grinding level 3s (+ standings). Remember to loot everything and you can build BC hull after every 3 missions.
You're a terrible troll.
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Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#375 - 2012-06-04 17:59:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
That won't stop some gankers from popping you for the evilulz


This is why mining is dead profession. Now there's more gankers running around and that means there's more of those who do it for lulz.

Numbers and links to verify please, or it's just in your mind!
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#376 - 2012-06-04 18:00:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
mining barge ungankable


Does not compute.

Try reading the whole post, dear.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#377 - 2012-06-04 18:01:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
mining barge ungankable


Does not compute.


Same way a Covetor makes 6m per hour.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#378 - 2012-06-04 18:04:16 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Same way a Covetor makes 6m per hour.


Show Covetor that can't be ganked.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#379 - 2012-06-04 18:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Bossy Lady wrote:
But by setting the number of blasters on a catalyst to 1, I can instantly make every mining barge ungankable!

My God, this guy's a genius!
Indeed. He has solved every balance issue ever!

Miners, rejoice: your ships have been made impossible to destroy and infinite riches are at your hands.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Show Covetor that can't be ganked.
[Covetor, Covetor fit]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

[Empty Med slot]

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-605

In exactly the same way as your Covetor is only making 7M ISK/h, this Covetor is ungankable: just set # of beam lasers to 1.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#380 - 2012-06-04 18:18:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

The truly amazing thing is that miners expect highsec to be perfectly safe when miners everywhere else have to be on their toes constantly.


When I mined, I spent sizable amounts doing it in low and null. Never had to use D-Scan once, never had to tank, never had to pay 1/100 of the attention required in hi sec.
What magic did we use? Simple, the system was nicely sealed by gate camp. In null it was even easier. 1 neut in local => warp to POS.


In other words, you saw to your own security. You as a miner were secure because a substantial group of other players were defending you. Congrats, you've just supported everything I've ever said about mining: if you want it to be safe, MAKE it safe.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.