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RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#321 - 2012-06-04 14:37:29 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

If something's in range to flip, don't eject.

"It's not a threat if you don't see it"
Do you really think they can't use cloaking devices?

Do you know how hard it is to stay within flipping range of a moving target without being decloaked by something like, say, a mining drone?

Anyway, then you get your ore stolen and warp off. Relocate and continue mining.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#322 - 2012-06-04 14:38:27 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

For a little while. But then someone'll bring an organized gank fleet.

And there goes again your organized 'defensive fleet'.

He was suggesting Having all the Hulks in one place, NOT a defensive fleet.

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#323 - 2012-06-04 14:39:18 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: baltec1 wrote: More than enough if you tank it. 14k EHP < 18k-20k damage Show me a destroyer that can do that in 6-7 seconds

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Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#324 - 2012-06-04 14:42:58 UTC baltec1 wrote: Show me a destroyer that can do that in 6-7 seconds You're assuming ganker doesn't know how to draw Concord's attention somewhere else in system before actual gank.

FloppieTheBanjoClown

Arcana Imperii Ltd.

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#325 - 2012-06-04 14:44:34 UTC

Fly exhumers in places you can defend them, as they are not designed to defend themselves. lowsec, nullsec, and w-space all come to mind. There are also some near-vacant highsec systems where you can dock up any time a stranger comes in local,
which is the standard defense anywhere else.

The truly amazing thing is that miners expect highsec to be perfectly safe when miners everywhere else have to be on their toes constantly.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#326 - 2012-06-04 14:45:09 UTC | Edited by: baltec1

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Show me a destroyer that can do that in 6-7 seconds

You're assuming ganker doesn't know how to draw Concord's attention somewhere else in system before actual gank.

That doesnt impact the 6-7 second spawn time for concord. I'm getting the feeling you have zero idea about what you are talking about here as so far everything you have said has been wrong.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#327 - 2012-06-04 14:46:31 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

You're assuming ganker doesn't know how to draw Concord's attention somewhere else in system before actual gank.

Yes, that adds 6 seconds to the aforementioned 6–7, allowing the destroyer to deliver 8–9k damage, which still isn't enough.

…oh, and if he does that (still being solo and all), you've now spotted him in local; he has to wait out a 15 minute timer; and he has to hope that someone doesn't move CONCORD to where he definitely doesn't want it to be in the meantime.

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#328 - 2012-06-04 14:47:34 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

More than enough if you tank it.

14k EHP < 18k-20k damage

Show me a destroyer that can do that in 6-7 seconds

Heck, show me one that can do 18k damage in 20 seconds (anything goes), and I'll give you your 10m Isk back.

Best I can get is 17760 damage in 20s. And it's a little expensive.

[Catalyst, Gank]

Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
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Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
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[Empty Rig slot]

'Augmented' Hobgoblin x1

Zainou 'Deadeye' Small Hybrid Turret SH-606
Pashan's Turret Customization Mindlink

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#329 - 2012-06-04 15:02:59 UTC

RubyPorto wrote:

Heck, show me one that can do 18k damage in 20 seconds (anything goes), and I'll give you your 10m Isk back.

[Talos, 1325dps Talos]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
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[Empty Med slot]
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Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
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Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
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baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#330 - 2012-06-04 15:05:40 UTC | Edited by: baltec1

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

Heck, show me one that can do 18k damage in 20 seconds (anything goes), and I'll give you your 10m Isk back.

Well done, you just lost at least 70 mil on that gank. Lets see you keep that kind of BC isk loss going.

Edit: 50 mil was way too cheap.

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#331 - 2012-06-04 15:07:00 UTC | Edited by: RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

More than enough if you tank it.

14k EHP < 18k-20k damage

Show me a destroyer that can do that in 6-7 seconds

Heck, show me one that can do 18k damage in 20 seconds (anything goes), and I'll give you your 10m Isk back.

Best I can get is 17760 damage in 20s. And it's a little expensive.

That's an awfully funny looking destroyer you got there, mister.


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#332 - 2012-06-04 15:08:59 UTC RubyPorto wrote: That's an awfully funny looking destroyer you got there, mister. "Anything goes"

Covert Kitty

SRS Industries

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#333 - 2012-06-04 15:09:42 UTC

People bitching about their hulks getting blown up are failing to understand a central theme of the game: Risk vs Reward. You wouldn't use a 200+ mil ship to make 5mil/hr mining trit or whatever it is highsec miners do, there's no balance in the risk/reward there. It's the equivalent of say taking a 9 bil vindi on a solo roam in nullsec, sure, you could do it, but you need to be prepared for the consequences.

Exhumers are for mining in high yield areas where that risk/reward balance makes more sense.

In other-words "Don't fly what you cant afford to loose"

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#334 - 2012-06-04 15:11:04 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:

That's an awfully funny looking destroyer you got there, mister.

"Anything goes" Cool

The antecedent of "One" was quite clearly "Destroyer", since nowhere did anyone mention any other type of ship.

Mira Robinson

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#335 - 2012-06-04 15:13:35 UTC

Miners whining about getting their Hulks ganked...I'd honestly say that's 90% of the reason that it's organized every year.

Career miner here, and the only place I've lost Hulks is nullsec, and it hasn't happened very often. Because I'm careful.

If I feel it's too dangerous, especially during Hulkageddon, I just stay parked in the hangar and do something else.

It's pretty hard not staring at my mining lasers, but I live.

So if you've lost something during Hulkageddon, it's your fault you weren't careful enough.

Earlier today, the Dixon Mining Guild and the Butz Manufacturing Corporation formed a coalition.

It's hard to tell if there is a light at the end of the tunnel for the Dixon-Butz Alliance.

Zyress

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#336 - 2012-06-04 15:24:34 UTC

Simetraz wrote:

Hulk's where never really a Tech 2 ship anyways, more like tier 2.

Take the current version and remove all the moon materials requirements so it just costs minerals.
Multiple those minerals by about 4.
Now you have a ship that cost a little over 100 mill.

Simple.

Now you can make another version a true Tech 2 using moon materials for 0.0 pilots with more tank and other features but it will cost.

Done and done

Why would 0.0 pilots need more tank, thats the one safe place to mine or bot


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#337 - 2012-06-04 15:28:31 UTC Mira Robinson wrote: So if you've lost something during Hulkageddon, it's your fault you weren't careful enough. Haven't lost my Hulk during Hulkageddon because no one ever tried. Mining has been worthless years and now it's dead profession.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#338 - 2012-06-04 15:36:01 UTC Jorma Morkkis wrote: Mining has been worthless years and now it's dead profession. …that makes more money than ever. I have to ask: have you been right about anything you've said in this thread?

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#339 - 2012-06-04 15:37:43 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Mining has been worthless years and now it's dead profession.

…that makes more money than ever.

I have to ask: have you been right about anything you've said in this thread?

He successfully built a ship that did 18k damage in 20s. It was strange looking for a Destroyer, but he was right that it dealt the damage he said it did.


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#340 - 2012-06-04 15:39:24 UTC Tippia wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Mining has been worthless years and now it's dead profession. …that makes more money than ever. I have to ask: have you been right about anything you've said in this thread? You get more money grinding level 3s (+ standings). Remember to loot everything and you can build BC hull after every 3 missions.

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