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Are Exhumer's a dead ship line ?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#241 - 2012-06-04 03:41:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.


So no Tech 2 ships belong in highsec?


That could be interesting to see how nullsec dwellers would get stuff in and out of Jita without jump freighters.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#242 - 2012-06-04 04:34:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:



baltec1 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
…at this point, I really have to ask.

When was the last time anyone actually sat down and clocked the CONCORD response times at various sec levels?
My corp did before the caldari ice interdiction. We also tested all sorts of tank on barges to see what we could do and to get the best out of our gank ships.
…I decided to go find out for myself. The results were interesting.


Looks right. The window is a lot shorter than many assume and a barge only needs to have enough buffer to last untill CONCORD jams the ganker. This is why a supertank hulk in 0.7 spaceis left alone most of the time as its so hard to kill.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#243 - 2012-06-04 04:38:30 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.



So no Tech 2 ships belong in highsec?


That's not at all what he said. He said Exhumers weren't designed for HS use. He said nothing about ALL T2 Ships. Reductio ad Absurdum that transparent just makes you look stupid.

Read the Ship description of the Hulk (paraphrasing)"designed with extra tank to survive the rats in Nullsec."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#244 - 2012-06-04 04:40:04 UTC
Hey ruby did you get paid yet because Im still 10 mil shortSad
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#245 - 2012-06-04 04:41:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.


So no Tech 2 ships belong in highsec?


That could be interesting to see how nullsec dwellers would get stuff in and out of Jita without jump freighters.

Once the JF has jumped to a highsec border, its already more effective to use a conventional freighter anyway. So we would function just fine, because we would adapt.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#246 - 2012-06-04 04:44:46 UTC
Nawt Ovarpwiced wrote:


If mining wasnt so fuckbear boring, people wouldent afk mine. CCP knows this, CCP Doesnt care, you all know this, you prefer to trolololo


If you don't like Mining, why are you doing it? If it's so boring you have to AFK, why are you doing an activity you dislike in a game you play for enjoyment?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#247 - 2012-06-04 04:46:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Hey ruby did you get paid yet because Im still 10 mil shortSad



Naw, nothing yet. I think Jorma Morrkis is going to back out on our deal. Maybe I should write a lengthy See&Pee post about it?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#248 - 2012-06-04 04:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Once the JF has jumped to a highsec border, its already more effective to use a conventional freighter anyway. So we would function just fine, because we would adapt.


But what about those Orphans at Jita 4-4 undock?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#249 - 2012-06-04 04:52:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Once the JF has jumped to a highsec border, its already more effective to use a conventional freighter anyway. So we would function just fine, because we would adapt.


But what about those Orphans at Jita 4-4 undock?


Who does HS freightering in-Corp?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#250 - 2012-06-04 05:02:19 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Once the JF has jumped to a highsec border, its already more effective to use a conventional freighter anyway. So we would function just fine, because we would adapt.


But what about those Orphans at Jita 4-4 undock?


Who does HS freightering in-Corp?

People who like getting ganked as if they were flying hulks?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#251 - 2012-06-04 05:05:45 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:

People who like getting ganked as if they were flying hulks?


People who lose their frieghters to a solo bomber in high sec are on a whole other level of daft.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#252 - 2012-06-04 06:53:16 UTC
Commit Sudoku wrote:
hauling in the abc ore just fine in null, sorry you guys are mining small son ore in high~


Thought goons never mined?

You need to haul less ore, and start towing the party line.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#253 - 2012-06-04 06:57:09 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Commit Sudoku wrote:
hauling in the abc ore just fine in null, sorry you guys are mining small son ore in high~


Thought goons never mined?

You need to haul less ore, and start towing the party line.

Shhh.... Its a scam!

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#254 - 2012-06-04 06:57:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:

People who like getting ganked as if they were flying hulks?


People who lose their frieghters to a solo bomber in high sec are on a whole other level of daft.


I've seen 2 POSes get Solo Kills on JFs in Low, and one JF loss to a Faction Navy [Protip: Check your Standings before going to HS]

A loss to a Bomber is much more reasonable.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#255 - 2012-06-04 07:14:24 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Its almost engaging, but if you fail to pay attention you die to your enemies. We can do it, what makes you incapable?


Duh it's red crosses if you die it's not because you did not pay attention but because your fitting sucked or you went really away for a long time.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#256 - 2012-06-04 07:19:11 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.



So no Tech 2 ships belong in highsec?


That's not at all what he said. He said Exhumers weren't designed for HS use. He said nothing about ALL T2 Ships. Reductio ad Absurdum that transparent just makes you look stupid.

Read the Ship description of the Hulk (paraphrasing)"designed with extra tank to survive the rats in Nullsec."


I know plenty of way the games tells me when something is not designed for a ship in a certain place. Not only the obvious bomber / bubble but also every deadspace gate will tell "Only ships allowed are ...... with a list".

Some high sec pockets mention "mining barge, exhumers"... and believe it or not, unlike a carrier, you can undock in an hulk in hi sec.

Therefore hi sec was designed for those ships to be there.

It's legitimate that for some agenda you or others don't want to see them there, but the game does not think like you.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#257 - 2012-06-04 07:43:30 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.



So no Tech 2 ships belong in highsec?


That's not at all what he said. He said Exhumers weren't designed for HS use. He said nothing about ALL T2 Ships. Reductio ad Absurdum that transparent just makes you look stupid.

Read the Ship description of the Hulk (paraphrasing)"designed with extra tank to survive the rats in Nullsec."


I know plenty of way the games tells me when something is not designed for a ship in a certain place. Not only the obvious bomber / bubble but also every deadspace gate will tell "Only ships allowed are ...... with a list".

Some high sec pockets mention "mining barge, exhumers"... and believe it or not, unlike a carrier, you can undock in an hulk in hi sec.

Therefore hi sec was designed for those ships to be there.

It's legitimate that for some agenda you or others don't want to see them there, but the game does not think like you.


They were designed for the demands of tanking Rats in NullSec. Nobody's (at least I'm not) saying they shouldn't be allowed in HiSec, just recognize that they weren't designed with the needs of HS anti-ganking in mind.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#258 - 2012-06-04 07:55:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Its almost engaging, but if you fail to pay attention you die to your enemies. We can do it, what makes you incapable?


Duh it's red crosses if you die it's not because you did not pay attention but because your fitting sucked or you went really away for a long time.

Or you got ganked Blink

Point being, if I can stand staring at red crosses for hours while my drones eat them so that I am watching local/intel, miners can stand staring at rocks for hours while their lazors eat them while watching local, and I hear they even have started intel channels themselves to keep up with the gankers.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#259 - 2012-06-04 09:05:30 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Its almost engaging, but if you fail to pay attention you die to your enemies. We can do it, what makes you incapable?


Duh it's red crosses if you die it's not because you did not pay attention but because your fitting sucked or you went really away for a long time.

Or you got ganked Blink


That's why they sell a 3rd party software (forbidden but ofc lots use it) to buzz when someone enters in local. So you can watch boobs in relax. Nobody in 0.0 will report anom farmer #47396 anyway, only CCP Sreegs might one day find you due to a new anti-detection routine.
Of course that thing does not work in hi sec.


Tallian Saotome wrote:

Point being, if I can stand staring at red crosses for hours while my drones eat them so that I am watching local/intel, miners can stand staring at rocks for hours while their lazors eat them while watching local, and I hear they even have started intel channels themselves to keep up with the gankers.


If you need hours to do red crosses it means you are using an AFK domi. You are being more passive than afk ice miners.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#260 - 2012-06-04 09:10:41 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

They were designed for the demands of tanking Rats in NullSec. Nobody's (at least I'm not) saying they shouldn't be allowed in HiSec, just recognize that they weren't designed with the needs of HS anti-ganking in mind.


If they were not designed with the needs of HS-anti ganking (I wonder what that means) then the most logic course of action is not being defeatist: "don't use them" but update them for the needs of HS anti-ganking.

Sadly CCP (and YOU said they learn from their mistakes) never understood that anti-ganking does not mean remove ganking options (see boomerang nerf and others) but adding active defense tools that a diligent and skilled target can use to fend off the attacks.

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