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CSM 7 Summit Day 3 Quick Report

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-02 05:57:16 UTC
Day 1 report can be found here.

Day 2 report can be found here.

Day 3 Summary

Factional Warfare

CCP reviewed CSM's prepared FW summit notes and there was an in-depth discussion on things that need to be tweaked in FW. CCP is committed to further work on FW to polish the work done in Inferno.

We got a demo of some FW UI improvement designs that look very nice.

There was a broad discussion of what to do if one faction steamrolls another. CCP's general position is that they want to wait and see if this becomes an issue, and in the meantime will address issues that clearly need immediate attention.

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.

Ship Balance & Iteration

CCP Ytterbium presented his plans for changes to basically every subcap hull in the game and got CSM feedback. He's been very busy.

Treaties

A ninja session to discuss possible treaty implementations, which would provide the means for corporations and alliances to make contracts about standings, taxation, rental fees, etc. Treaties were originally going to be a part of Dominion but got dropped due to resource constraints.

This concept may possibly be combined with an iteration on the current contracts system.

Content

Discussed short-term changes to the tutorial, upcoming reversions on some of the recent incursion changes (too many things were changed at once), improvements to Concord LP store, live events.

Security

We received a report on the recent trends in bot-detection and banning.

"New" Player Experience / "New Player" Experience

Goal of TeamPE is to make playing EVE even more fun. We dove into a discussion of the NPE, mentoring newbies, making EVE better for noobs, and in particular stuff that would improve the game for everyone. A big focus was better methods of finding and presenting information, and answering questions (ie: "what do I need to do to fly an Interceptor properly?")

EVE Economy

Graph p*rn! Dr. EyjoG updated the CSM on the state of the EVE economy.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
cerbus
Carpe Noctem.
#2 - 2012-06-02 06:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: cerbus
ship appearance customisation

I didn't realise it was for public consumption yet, nice.

Thanks.

This character is no longer affiliated with the Caldari Prime Pony Club.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3 - 2012-06-02 07:14:19 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.(...).


So, no more CC options and no more WiS assets...? How unexpected. Straight
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-02 07:31:44 UTC
Oh yeah that treaty stuff

One day we'll get a hold of EVE Online: Dominion 1.0
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-02 09:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Navigator
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.(...).


So, no more CC options and no more WiS assets...? How unexpected. Straight


Team Avatar have already clearly stated that they're still at the stage of prototyping gameplay concepts for WiS. Do you want the Art Department to spend their time designing visual assets for one particular idea only for the project to take a completely different track and consign all that hard work to the scrapheap?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Faith Triump
#6 - 2012-06-02 11:03:41 UTC
Glad to see our CSM working so hard, i know a lot of pilots that will be happy to know there one step closer to a new hello kitty paint job.
SeenButNotHeard
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-02 12:01:21 UTC
As one of the people questioning the lack of response from the CSM, to the UI changes in a previous thread, I wanted to say thanks for the updates.

Whilst there is no detailed information, I can understand the reasons for that.

Even though it must be a hell of an experience, and a lot of folks are jealous (me included!) I imagine that it must be a pretty intense 72 hours of work.

Thanks for the updates - looking forward to the minutes.
Frying Doom
#8 - 2012-06-02 12:54:42 UTC
Thank you all for all the hard work.

I look forward to hearing about the economy (Well what you can disclose)

The treaty system will also be a plus.

And new shiny things too:)

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-02 18:09:25 UTC
Delete the NeX, don't expand it, ******* delete it.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2012-06-02 20:55:59 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.(...).


So, no more CC options and no more WiS assets...? How unexpected. Straight


Fear not, there was actually quite a bit of discussion about Incarna and avatar content, we had an entire separate session dedicated to this feature that was a lot of fun. CCP is being very careful to make sure development resources are allocated fairly with regards to what the majority of EVE players are interested in (catching up on long-overdue spaceship content) but I was really excited to see the direction that EVE's avatar gameplay is potentially headed.

All of the attending CSM members were really engaged in the discussion too, a lot of cool ideas were generated during this session and almost everyone in the room talked far more about WiS stuff than they probably would like to admit! Blink

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2012-06-02 21:01:28 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.(...).


So, no more CC options and no more WiS assets...? How unexpected. Straight


Team Avatar have already clearly stated that they're still at the stage of prototyping gameplay concepts for WiS. Do you want the Art Department to spend their time designing visual assets for one particular idea only for the project to take a completely different track and consign all that hard work to the scrapheap?


Exactly. With Incarna, CCP is *thankfully* focused on creating engaging gameplay first and foremost (not just walking around a room and looking cool), which at the prototype stage isn't heavily dependent on having completed art assets. Thus, the art session was dedicated to upcoming graphical and spaceship improvements instead.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#12 - 2012-06-02 22:05:46 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

Art Presentation

The Art department made a presentation on the recent work that they have been doing, and what they will be working on in the near future, including new ship destruction effects, ship redesigns, new ships, ship appearance customization, and more.(...).


So, no more CC options and no more WiS assets...? How unexpected. Straight


Fear not, there was actually quite a bit of discussion about Incarna and avatar content, we had an entire separate session dedicated to this feature that was a lot of fun. CCP is being very careful to make sure development resources are allocated fairly with regards to what the majority of EVE players are interested in (catching up on long-overdue spaceship content) but I was really excited to see the direction that EVE's avatar gameplay is potentially headed.

All of the attending CSM members were really engaged in the discussion too, a lot of cool ideas were generated during this session and almost everyone in the room talked far more about WiS stuff than they probably would like to admit! Blink


The promise of the biggest banquet ever in the future is not a solution to the present starvation. And CCP is starving both the WiS minority and the hisec majority.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-02 22:33:53 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


The promise of the biggest banquet ever in the future is not a solution to the present starvation. And CCP is starving both the WiS minority and the hisec majority.

Boy, you're definitely a glass half empty guy aren't you?

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#14 - 2012-06-02 22:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

The promise of the biggest banquet ever in the future is not a solution to the present starvation. And CCP is starving both the WiS minority and the hisec majority.


We've been over this issue before so I won't belabor the point, but CCP is a business. Last summer's subscription numbers spoke volumes about what *most* EVE players want from EVE, and where they wanted the developers to be spending their time and money (spoiler alert - its spaceships).

It doesn't look like they intend to let avatar fans "starve" in the short term even if they are very much refocused onto the FiS features that most players crave. We saw a good mix of both short-term and long term iterations on avatars - the only thing you'll be "starving" for in the meantime is details as we're all busy preparing our documentation of the summit and getting approval from CCP for release.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#15 - 2012-06-03 07:47:19 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


The promise of the biggest banquet ever in the future is not a solution to the present starvation. And CCP is starving both the WiS minority and the hisec majority.

Boy, you're definitely a glass half empty guy aren't you?


That may be the consequence of getting two Awesome Expansions (TM) under CCP's belt with nothing for me in them.

Also i have an habit of being right when I smelled rats in the past, which is a PITA because I don't really control when or why i smell rats...
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#16 - 2012-06-03 08:29:45 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

The promise of the biggest banquet ever in the future is not a solution to the present starvation. And CCP is starving both the WiS minority and the hisec majority.


We've been over this issue before so I won't belabor the point, but CCP is a business. Last summer's subscription numbers spoke volumes about what *most* EVE players want from EVE, and where they wanted the developers to be spending their time and money (spoiler alert - its spaceships).

(...)


And CCP figured that as so many people where asking iteration on 25% of the game, that meant that no novelties were needed for the other 75%.

Amazingly enough, numbers don't float, marketing guys are becoming increasingly uneasy (I'm kinda waiting for a 2x1 offer, start a new account and get a second one for free Roll) and something smells veeery wrong.

CCP is adressing the wrong issue. Lack of iteration is bad, but what is killing the game is the lack of long term subscription hooks a.k.a endgame for all the people who don't play it the right way and choose to stay in hisec.

75% of the players are in hisec.

95% of the content resources are being spent elsewhere (included those devoted to lay waste on hisec).

I am of the few who feel that CCP is not getting the priorities right.

On the up side, this means that we all may be wrong and there is a succesful road ahead for EVE by fostering nullsec customers' loyalty and ignoring hisec's. Good for CCP.

On the down side, customers buy what they want to buy, and not what you want to sell, and as longs a mroe than 50% of the players are not buying "EVE" but "the only game in town", I may not be totally misguided on what CCP is doing wrong...
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#17 - 2012-06-03 09:00:00 UTC
Indahmawar continues to demonstrate the blatant misuse of stats in the service of terrible arguments.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-06-03 09:22:26 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


75% of the players are in hisec.


No they aren't. This has been proven wrong to you repeatedly even though you don't like to admit it, so at this stage, you're deliberately saying untruthful things (like someone who publically says they're going to unsub, but doesn't).

Also known as "lying".


If you want to progress the WiS debate, then the first step is to stop discrediting both yourself and your stated goals with these dishonest, easily disproven statistics.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#19 - 2012-06-03 11:18:05 UTC
Bossy Lady wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


75% of the players are in hisec.


No they aren't. This has been proven wrong to you repeatedly even though you don't like to admit it, so at this stage, you're deliberately saying untruthful things (like someone who publically says they're going to unsub, but doesn't).

Also known as "lying".


If you want to progress the WiS debate, then the first step is to stop discrediting both yourself and your stated goals with these dishonest, easily disproven statistics.


Interestingly enough, it is CCP itself who claimed that 75% of the characters log in to hisec. I used to say it was 71%, then CCP Diagoras tweeted it up to 72%, and at Fanfest it already was 75%.

Of course, you are free to disprove that and claim that most of those characters are being logged in just as a filler so hisec doesn't looks too deserted, but my own guess is that people logs in to hisec to conduct business there...
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-06-03 13:33:09 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
marketing guys are becoming increasingly uneasy

Source?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
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