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Would Mineral Prices and Supply ever return to previous levels?
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CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#1 - 2012-06-01 22:52:12 UTC
With the removal of drone loot, it seems that its the final nail on the coffin of a mining minerals with guns, along with removal of meta 0 modules from npc wrecks.

Since people can no longer really mine mineral with weapons anymore, actual rock mining is now the only real source of minerals. Mining however is very boring and still a very low paying venture despite minerals changes, not to mention with the countless ganks against highsec miners. I really doubt people will start jumping on to mining so easily, it will take a long time for the number of miners to significantly increase. Even then I doubt they could ever mine as much as legions of ratters in the Drone Regions could pull.

With all the changes made, I find it hard to believe that mining minerals will return the supply and prices to pre-change levels.

We can expect Tier 3 Battleships to stay at 200+ million for a good while.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-06-01 22:53:11 UTC
You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#3 - 2012-06-01 22:57:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?


Well of course I realize that when Battleships cost half a billion. I'm saying that I really doubt mineral prices will ever fall back down to pre-change levels. Unless CCP decides to add another mineral faucet like they did with drone alloys.

People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-01 22:59:23 UTC
Drone nerf is only part of it.

Both bot banning and hulkagaddon, unlike drone changes, are not permanent. The banned bots will be back eventually. And SiSi Hulk material changes (more minerials, less moon goo) will suck the air out of hulkagaddon upon arrival.

Minerial prices will go back up a bit, but how much is anyone's guess.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-01 22:59:36 UTC
Overall you are correct. Prices will stabilize at a higher point than when there was gunmining.

However, I highly doubt it will be apocalyptic. Furthermore, if it is, it`s an easy fix.

Long story short, don`t worry about it. You;re too pretty to worry. Now come sit on your uncle`s lap...

*leers greedily*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-06-01 23:00:07 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?


Well of course I realize that when Battleships cost half a billion. I'm saying that I really doubt mineral prices will ever fall back down to pre-change levels. Unless CCP decides to add another mineral faucet like they did with drone alloys.

People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.


That is not a bad thing.
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#7 - 2012-06-01 23:28:49 UTC
Oh no I'm not worried at all about the higher prices of ships, I am actually profiting from the increasing price of minerals.
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-01 23:33:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.


That is not a bad thing.

Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.

If you think people are risk-averse carebears now, wait until the cost of ships hits an all-time high.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#9 - 2012-06-01 23:34:22 UTC
Assuming bot-bans continue and bots are eventually reduced to a minority contributor of minerals, prices for minerals will stabilise at the level which actual people can be bothered mining.

With an ongoing ganking campaign, mineral prices will rise and hisec mining will be more attractive. So if you are someone intent on driving miners out of hisec, what you actually need to do is flood the hisec market with minerals such that hisec mining become worth much less than a human would be bothered working for.

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-01 23:35:54 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
Oh no I'm not worried at all about the higher prices of ships, I am actually profiting from the increasing price of minerals.


Ah, I see. Then, yes, from a business perspective you should assume that prices will stabilize at a higher point, it's a little early to predict exactly where though. I would recommend checking the S&I and MD sub-forums occasionally as things progress, as this topic will assuredly come up multiple times over the next few months.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-06-01 23:38:24 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.


That is not a bad thing.

Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.

If you think people are risk-averse carebears now, wait until the cost of ships hits an all-time high.


They will swap to cheaper ships which means more T1 cruisers which, frankly are much more fun in pvp.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#12 - 2012-06-01 23:38:37 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.


That is not a bad thing.

Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.

If you think people are risk-averse carebears now, wait until the cost of ships hits an all-time high.


This is a bit of a whacky idea, maybe just me being a bit of a crackpot flake but possibly they could fly cheaper ships, like cruisers and such. How long have people being saying that cruisers have been much overlooked in pvp?

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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-01 23:39:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
They will swap to cheaper ships which means more T1 cruisers which, frankly are much more fun in pvp.


Ya, considering losses were inconsequential before and t1 frigs and cruisers were all but phased out of the game, there is a lot of leeway for rising prices.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-06-01 23:42:14 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.
No, it's a good thing because it might entice people into flying smaller ships in larger numbers, thereby creating more variety in what you see on the battlefield.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-01 23:43:44 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
If you think people are risk-averse carebears now, wait until the cost of ships hits an all-time high.

So, even more incentive to go join a Null alliance that takes care of ship/hull replacement?

PS: I hear the Goons had a level 5 CTA mining op not to long ago, how did that go? LOL at Goons mining for their own ships.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-01 23:45:07 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
PS: I hear the Goons had a level 5 CTA mining op not to long ago, how did that go? LOL at Goons mining for their own ships.


Sounds reliable.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-01 23:45:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?


The only reason this is true is because intro prices are always out of wack due to lack of information and wild speculation by marketeers. I bought my first hulk for 500 mill... not because that was the real value but because there were so few in the beginning and people were still wondering where the price was going to land. Same with my first orca at 800 million.

So no shocker or surprising realization forthcoming.

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Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-01 23:47:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.
No, it's a good thing because it might entice people into flying smaller ships in larger numbers, thereby creating more variety in what you see on the battlefield.

Because clearly, even more blobs are the best thing for EVE PvP. Roll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-06-01 23:49:21 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?


The only reason this is true is because intro prices are always out of wack due to lack of information and wild speculation by marketeers. I bought my first hulk for 500 mill... not because that was the real value but because there were so few in the beginning and people were still wondering where the price was going to land. Same with my first orca at 800 million.

So no shocker or surprising realization forthcoming.


Battleships had been in game for several years...
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2012-06-01 23:53:34 UTC
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Because clearly, even more blobs are the best thing for EVE PvP. Roll
Who said anything about blobs?

Smaller ships in larger numbers, as in more smaller ships will be used, replacing those large, expensive ships.
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