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Mining: What's the Hulkageddon End Game?

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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-02 00:54:58 UTC
Gabriel Kaile wrote:
Archimedes Eratosthenes wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
The purpose of hulkageddon is to make even more money for goonswarm, while feasting on supposed tears from miners. I'm sure both endeavors are fruitful enough for them to consider it pretty successful.



You are wrong.

The purpose of Hulkageddon is to allow The Butthurt Mitanni to get revenge on CCP for his 30-day ban by striking at their wallet.


How exactly did he strike at their wallet?

Gabriel Kaile, Order of Merlin, Third Class, Honorary Member of the Dark Force Defense League, five time winner of Goonwaffe Weekly's Most-Charming Smile award


I once had four extra accounts for mining, three of them were closed last month and the last one is being closed as of this month with a permanent announcement of Hulkageddon.

Since taking my Tengu into WH's is more profitable and less risky than high sec mining, you can understand why I'd do this. Also I only need one account, my main account.

So CCP lost 4 of my 5 subscriptions and a rather robust source of tritanium. Many others with alt mining accounts have followed through with what I have done. I'm I'm going to be forced to watch my screen endlessly, I may as well do something enjoyable and more profitable like WH's.
AzulOso
Lia's Lavender Corp.
#22 - 2012-06-02 01:04:58 UTC
So, if this "Never-ending Gobsttoper" (Geddon) is a reality then your idea of trimming accounts sounds more profitable, to me. Plus, will reduce my RL cost and the nagging from the lil' women. So! A win-win. Lol
Ocular Shadows
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-06-02 01:32:09 UTC
Archimedes Eratosthenes wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
The purpose of hulkageddon is to make even more money for goonswarm, while feasting on supposed tears from miners. I'm sure both endeavors are fruitful enough for them to consider it pretty successful.



You are wrong.

The purpose of Hulkageddon is to allow The Butthurt Mitanni to get revenge on CCP for his 30-day ban by striking at their wallet.


Look at you, it's almost like you don't realize that Burn Jita and Hulkageddon were planned before fanfest.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#24 - 2012-06-02 01:39:47 UTC
I personally feel that Hulkageddon is to kill off all the whiny, unwilling to adapt miners to make way for the intelligent, willing to accept other's play styles miners. Thus improving the quality of the community as a whole.

Of course, once those miners come into existence, ganking will go down the crapper as the lazy gankers realize they can't have their easy lulz anymore. Then it will be the few extremely dedicated gankers verses a few intelligent miners. then EVE will be perfect.

But hey, what do I know. I'm not even out of High School yet.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-06-02 01:58:57 UTC
mining is completely dictated by player-driven supply and demand. If you in a retriever was low profit, it was because hundreds if not thousands of users in max-yield hulks afk mining away drove the price down/
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-02 01:59:32 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
I personally feel that Hulkageddon is to kill off all the whiny, unwilling to adapt miners to make way for the intelligent, willing to accept other's play styles miners. Thus improving the quality of the community as a whole.

Of course, once those miners come into existence, ganking will go down the crapper as the lazy gankers realize they can't have their easy lulz anymore. Then it will be the few extremely dedicated gankers verses a few intelligent miners. then EVE will be perfect.

But hey, what do I know. I'm not even out of High School yet.


There is a prize for you to be had. Nearly 1 billion total.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#27 - 2012-06-02 02:00:49 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
I'm I'm going to be forced to watch my screen endlessly, I may as well do something enjoyable and more
profitable like WH's.


This literally made me laugh out loud. No one and I mean no one is forcing you to watch your screen. But to have the belief that you can not pay attention and at the same time not be in danger is ludicrous. Furthermore, doing something more enjoyable is kind of the point. You are essentially stating that mining and paying attention to the space around you is not enjoyable. I commend you on finding something more enjoyable and profitable.

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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-06-02 02:53:40 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
I'm I'm going to be forced to watch my screen endlessly, I may as well do something enjoyable and more
profitable like WH's.


This literally made me laugh out loud. No one and I mean no one is forcing you to watch your screen. But to have the belief that you can not pay attention and at the same time not be in danger is ludicrous. Furthermore, doing something more enjoyable is kind of the point. You are essentially stating that mining and paying attention to the space around you is not enjoyable. I commend you on finding something more enjoyable and profitable.

There might be a prize for you too

There is a prize for you to be had. Nearly 1 billion total.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116399&p=5
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-06-02 05:17:27 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:

So CCP lost 4 of my 5 subscriptions and a rather robust source of tritanium. Many others with alt mining accounts have followed through with what I have done. I'm I'm going to be forced to watch my screen endlessly, I may as well do something enjoyable and more profitable like WH's.


Good for you.

Seriously, mining for trit is something you do in tutorial missions. With the 1 man fleet you were running there, you took it about as far as it could go.

As you've found out for yourself though, Eve has a lot more than highsec veldspar, and pretty much all of it is better isk than the most common mineral in the game. You might want to resub those accounts and get them trained up to support your new found sources of wealth.

Then you can be the one to laugh as you make bank supplying nullsec with materials for the Tengu fleets they love to throw around.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#30 - 2012-06-02 05:26:06 UTC
WTS Hulk pilot for Rifter
Frying Doom
#31 - 2012-06-02 05:27:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:

So CCP lost 4 of my 5 subscriptions and a rather robust source of tritanium. Many others with alt mining accounts have followed through with what I have done. I'm I'm going to be forced to watch my screen endlessly, I may as well do something enjoyable and more profitable like WH's.


Good for you.

Seriously, mining for trit is something you do in tutorial missions. With the 1 man fleet you were running there, you took it about as far as it could go.

I disagree sorry. Mining is great, sitting in a super tanked hulk just waiting for someone to try and kill you is as funny as hell and you get to make money when your not being entertained.

I have tried Ganking its fun, but its even more fun watching people trying to gank you.Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#32 - 2012-06-02 05:35:20 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Paxx Bello wrote:
It seems to me that most of the participants in Hulkageddon are of the general mindset that "high sec mining is over lulz". Is the actual intent of Hulkageddon to remove high sec mining from the game?

I can't speak for everyone, but I personally would love to see the removal of highsec mining from the game.


then you have no freaking clue how the mineral economy in eve works.. thanks to idiots like you pvp is becoming more expensive.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#33 - 2012-06-02 05:40:29 UTC
VaMei wrote:

One is an open war on the feeling of entitlement that a growing number of players have. More and more players feel that hi-sec should be a safe place to do whatever is that they do, and that CCP needs to insure that it remains that way.


and there is not one ******* shred of evidence that this assertion is true. it is just pulled-out-of-one's-ass propaganda. and the occasional whiner who really wants this is held up as evidence that this assertion is true. it's a load of bullshit.

VaMei wrote:

The Goon leaders disagree, and their minions are quick to follow. If the Goons have their way, either the players of Eve will learn that no place is truly safe, or they'll force CCP to once and for all change hi-sec into a carebear theme park. Either way, the slow painful change will come to an end.


and this is another idiot feverish paranoid dream of the moronic

VaMei wrote:

Many carebears jumped onto the line that Goons want to destroy the game. In reality, they want to destroy your game.


goons want to force everyone to play the game their way.. and that's just stupid as not all of eve can be "l33t pvpers" shitting in nullsec all day. someone has to supply the minerals for the ships we use to shoot each other with. raging on the industrialists is just shooting ourselves in the foot.

VaMei wrote:

Second, Goons and their allies control a large percentage of the Tech moons. Being a bottleneck material makes Tech valuable from the start, but blowing up things composed greatly of Tech makes it more so. Hulks require a huge amount of Tech to make, so every Hulk that gets replaced lines the Goon coffers.


and THIS is really why they're doing it.. everything else is a smoke screen.

VaMei wrote:

Third, just the way they did with Oxytopes, the Goons have been manipulating the mineral markets for fun & profit while simultaneously suppressing the supply, and perhaps more importantly, the perception of that supply.


When it comes to the participants, it can be anything from the yucks of watching 300Misk of someone else's money go *pop*, to farming tears from carebears, to the 'profession' of farming Hulks for their loot and bounty, to one of the bigger goals above.



don't forget the failpvpers who couldn't shoot a ship that can fight back and live.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#34 - 2012-06-02 05:42:51 UTC
James 315 wrote:

I can't speak for everyone, but I personally would love to see the removal of highsec mining from the game.


James 315 wrote:

If people stop mining in highsec because they want to avoid being ganked, the "sandbox" is working as intended.


nothing against you or your gameplay style and goals but which of the above is what you really mean? You say in one post you want it "removed" from the game. How? you mean for CCP to delete high sec belts?

If thats true then whats the meaning of your second post? I personally find the second post to be more reasonable. If people dont want to risk a mining barge and quit mining then great thats much better then going in and deleting game content.

If CCP deleted high sec belts then perhaps they should also delete activation of weapon mods in high sec? no thier both stupid ideas. I'll go with your second post and disregard the first one. However its of interest to watch the value of the ores i mined over a month ago to have doubled in price just sitting in a station while i kill sansha noobs and practice/learn scanning
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#35 - 2012-06-02 05:43:30 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Well tbf James315 is a Goon puppet, so it's understandable he'd support that route. What's laughable is the constant resistance he has for nerfing suicide ganking because y'know, :SANDBOX™:, but at the same time he's obsessively trying to remove a whole part of the sandbox just because he himself isn't interested in it. Roll

First, I am not a puppet. If the Goons agree with me on something, it's because they know I'm right. Should they not agree with me, just for the sake of being obstreperous? Second, the "sandbox" defense of highsec mining has long since been debunked. People are free to mine, and people are free to kill the miners. If the clash between these two forces results in the death of mining, that is the preferable option. It's still wholly within the "sandbox" to eradicate certain behaviors. For example, we eradicated the practice of NRDS, "neutral" stations (think ISS), and sov-holding without defense forces (ASCN), and so on.

If people stop mining in highsec because they want to avoid being ganked, the "sandbox" is working as intended.


you really are a bloody idiot with no understanding of the eve economy. i hope you enjoy inflation because idiots like you are the single biggest cause of it in eve - forget incursions.. ******* up the mineral economy is the fastest way to raise prices in eve across the board.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-06-02 05:43:43 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

I disagree sorry.


You only disagree because I'm a goon, and Le Dei Opus here had the durable genitalia to jump into a wormhole, and you don't.
Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-02 06:31:32 UTC
I'm sure increasing the earnings on the tech is part of the reason, but by making it indefinite I would say it is rather clear it isn't the mean reason. Since unless a miner is reasonably certain they earn back the price of the hulk and extra before being ganked they will simply stop flying it reducing demand for tech and as such earnings for the cartel.

As some people are already saying the event will increase mineral prices and through them almost every item in game which could make the game as a whole less attractive, many might be wiling to bear with 4-6 hours on boredom per week to be able to pvp the rest of the time but if it becomes more it might be a different story. Especially for anyone that doesn't play 4+ hours per day. In the end this can make the game overall less attractive to new players, how many do you think will enjoy having to grind for a day to recover their first few loses, and reduce the retaining of new players.

An other issue is how driving up these mineral prices will affect gathering resources to set up a large offensive making it considerably harder and since goons are controlling most tech they are the ones that will probably feel this the least and this is without the fact that it is most likely that their stockpiles are the largest in game already. Unless you think it would be a mistake to assume that the largest alliance that actually set up an event that increases the prices would have made sure to stockpile everything they need before rumors even started.

Both these factors mean that this continued hulkageddon only purpose is to consolidate the goons' position:
- reducing new players will limit possible new recruits for alliances, but at the same time they can rely on external forums to keep a healthy influx of new members
- increasing the cost of warfare will make it harder for smaller alliances to catch up or new alliances to grow which should reduce the number of groups that could become a threat to them

Personally I would say goonswarm made a rather clever move by sponsoring this event making sure that even those forces in new eden that could become a threat will help them consolidate their powerbase. Or is it just that the rest of alliance leaders are just that stupid.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-02 07:17:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
James 315 wrote:

If people stop mining in highsec because they want to avoid being ganked, the "sandbox" is working as intended.



dumb as a stump... the idea behind a "sandbox" is there is no intended play.. Many things have been nerfed in the past because they bothered ccp.. Laser gate camps nerfed so badly Amarr almost didn't recover. why? because a large corp was using them to hold people out of one area by alpha-striking hundreds who tried the gate.... stealth time bombs in high sec and don't forget the nerfs that have gone the other way.. mostly nerfs on empire value. if this was truly a "sandbox" those things should remain using your logic.

I suspect we haven't seen the last nerf.. and I wouldn't be surprised to see a "rebalance" of ganking strength in some fashion.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-06-02 08:15:59 UTC
Denidil wrote:
VaMei wrote:

Second, Goons and their allies control a large percentage of the Tech moons. Being a bottleneck material makes Tech valuable from the start, but blowing up things composed greatly of Tech makes it more so. Hulks require a huge amount of Tech to make, so every Hulk that gets replaced lines the Goon coffers.


and THIS is really why they're doing it.. everything else is a smoke screen.

It's not much of a smoke screen when we're been openly saying this the whole time.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#40 - 2012-06-02 08:35:43 UTC
Nobody's mentioned RMT yet.

Why?

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