EVE General Discussion

Ever imagined that the people doing are relatively new and fund-less people so they can't afford PLEX?
For you maybe EvE is unplayable without multiple accounts but then it's not an EULA requirement to always have that Falcon alt just incase, that cyno alt, RR alts, off grid booster alt and why not, an hauler alt. For you it's incredibly stupid, for others is a necessity.

Flying in the most expensive barge? A Mack is not. He could opt in for a durable Hulk but that ofc is the expensive option. Plus are you really suggesting that this sandbox of yours is not meant to be played with an Exhumer?

I can hear you: "Yes but certainly not during Hulkageddon!"
And I can reply you: "No problem, let's wait for 2 weeks so Hulkageddon is ove.....". Oh wait YOUR corp made it permanent, which by your reasonment means exhumers are banned forever.

Mining without hauler: besides the above, try to really jet can in an Exhumer with an average of 3-4 can flippers doing their best to catch you. Sooner or later you WILL hear a door bell or will have to toilet 30 seconds and then you are done.

I went to test this in Minmatar space (read: vastly less trafficked) and I had about 3 smart attempts to can flip per day. You'd think "well it's not that many". But that was inside a large grav site, one of the most difficult signatures and still they got there, can flipped and after they realized I would not take the bait they'd warp in catalysts.

At no point did I mention alt accounts. Actually, I specifically said "make friends" (in a multiplayer game, no less!). Your mind immediately went to alts. Are you and your ilk really THAT averse to playing with others?

Besides, "relatively new" people aren't flying Hulks, and so far every bleating I QUIT GOONS RUIN STUFF Hulk pilot goes to great lengths to mention just how many accounts they're taking with them. I'll give you a hint, they're all well more than 1.



The biggest, most expensive ship isn't always the best option. That's Eve 101 right there. What makes it the best option is solely determined by the pilot itself - can you afford to lose it, where are you mining, how long are you mining for, are you bringing friends (lol), etc etc.



Banned forever? Nah, they'll still get tons of use in low/null and in high by people who aren't afraid to think a little bit. Dumbos who want to sit still alone in a belt in a multi-million isk hull with empty slots and ship fittings that actually reduce their survivability will struggle though, no doubt.

That said, the only thing continued are the 100mil/10 killing blow payments. That's not really a HUGE incentive for a lot of people to keep going, and certainly not at any kind of pace. Hulkageddon proper is a race, don't forget, with prizes for the most amount of kills. This is just a pretty small amount of supplemental income that will help gankers break even that has no time constraints on it at all. If the pace of ganking continues, it's likely more to do with the gankers having way too much fun making people lose their minds on Eve-O than anything to do with a pretty paltry 100mil isk.



This is an honest question (as you couldn't pay me enough to bother mining Veldspar in highsec), but why not anchor/password a GSC and mine into that? Obviously it wouldn't be the same sort of long term storage as a Jetcan, but as an intermediary between a mining ship and a hauler, it should work fine, yes? Exhumers V Hulks have a laser yield of something like 1800m3 per cycle, so an anchored can could hold 2 cycles. Easily enough time for a hauler to scoop it out before your next one. Even if you were paranoid and had the hauler docking up after every pickup, it's still better productivity than warping back to station every time.

1) Sure, as long as you provide at least 5 EvE forum links created before this post where The Mittani succesfully held collateral for third parties in hi sec and to people outside CFC.

You know, trust has to be earned, not given, and your alliance records on the outsiders are not exactly pristine.

2) They are silly? Unnecessary? Those are the rules imposed in every other "miners HTFU, thou shalt playeth like this" as due diligence. Sorry you have to eat the same poop your side imposes on the others.
You can look at all the programs you want, as long as you keep spamming that D-Scan like all the pro guys claim to do.

A little personal note: I lived in IA sov (I think they were blue to you) and had never had to use D-Scan once. Just saying...

Sucks to have to D-Scan and all but that's what you get when you dictate other people the best practices, then you have to give the good example in first person, else it's just hypocrisy.

Ok you may jetcan but then you won't try outsmart it by doing stuff like mining 1 block, then go dock for hours "switching ship" and won't mine 1-2 blocks, go switch ship, take 1-2 blocks, get back, mine 1-2 blocks again... You have 2 minutes to be back and empty the can at once and then be back in ship in other 2 minutes.





Miners who go AFK do it because they have to watch children and generally have their own rigorous schedule too.
There's a reason why people do a sh!t, boring profession with super-ultra low income and don't farm incursions or 0.0 anoms nor can fleet with 4-5 friends: lack of time to do so.




I hardly know of friends who would expressly play hauler for somebody else for 8 hours a day, sharing the tedium for single digit income per hour. It's as easy to find such people as it's finding your theoretical RR friend.
Mining corps? I always considered hi sec mining corps as worthless in average. They are tastier to wardec than ganking a ship and then they disband to a sneeze. Was it low sec / 0.0 then I know it's how it's done. Some years ago I did mine in low and 0.0 myself.




Fund-less refers to RL fund-less, i.e. not willing / unable to spare money to have multiple accounts.
I remind you that some pretty well established friends of mine who live in Africa, earn $70 a month... Plenty of richer countries but where a sub is still all what they can afford.




Ice mining in a covetor is such a torture that the last time I meet a guy doing that, I gifted him the money to buy a Mackinaw.
I can send you eve-mail with references so you can ask him yourself.

Because having friends is not an EULA requirement, and when miners commit to some 8h a day schedule lasting months, they won't find someone friend enough to sit there like an idiot forever.




Read reply on post above about this.




Feel free to tank a Mack and still find it useful. It's still squishy as sh!t too.




If I see the ganking gets reduced I might contact Helicity to sponsor prices. I want the maximum amount of miners to die too.




I might be wrong but 1 cycle worth of ice (1000m3 per block, minimum you get 2 per laser) does not fit in a GSC.

Eve isn't a single-player game. Some activities are not solo-friendly, and given the sandbox nature of the game, circumstances for activities can change at the whims of the playerbase. Of course, nobody's FORCED to get into a corp, make friends, or anything of the sort, but it's highly advisable, wouldn't you think? Especially for an activity like mining, which isn't really solo friendly unless you're a full-on masochist (or have enough alts to simulate having friends).



Helicity doesn't really have anything to do with our payments IIRC, it was just an addon to Hulkageddon.



You could do up to 3 per strip if you stagger your strips (or you could go the extra confusing route and anchor 1 can per strip). It's more work, obviously, but still doable (and still far more profitable than stopping your strips and going back to station). It'd actually probably work even better for ice since you wouldn't be moving spots (which would obv. be an issue in a regular non-grav non-mission belt).




AFK'ers aren't people who eventually go AFK for some reason during the course of their playing time (as that'd be literally everyone), they're people who play openly AFK and then whine because bad things might happen to them. For example, you lost your hauler, and that must have sucked, but did you come onto the forums and whine about how you shouldn't be able to lose a hauler in open space? You didn't, but that's exactly what Hulk miners are doing in droves right now, and that's where the scorn is coming from.

/me looks in the thread to see if anyone is putting up or shutting up yet.
/me goes back to doing other things.

Nobody's imposing anything. We're merely offering suggestions on how to more safely perform some activity, namely mining.




Then don't have them play hauler. 2 Hulks mining into jetcans. After an hour, one warps out to an Itty V to haul for 10m. When I mined in HS, I never had one single can flipped. Just mine in a backwater system.

The corp disbands, the people don't.



Most of my suggestions are still perfectly valid with one account. The ones that aren't are perfectly valid with friends or corpmates.



I don't care what largess you've parted with. Mining Ice in a Covetor is still mining Ice, and it's AFK so who cares how efficient you are? Afterall, aren't miners doing the lowest income profession in EVE for the love of the activity? So then what does it matter that you don't hit the *theoretical* maximum yield?

Theres already something like this on SA called: Goontube, we watch movies n' ****. You couldn't handle this, trust me.

Says who? Last time I participated in an Ice mining operation, which was actually last Wednesday evening, we did it while at our computers. How can I tell we didn't do it AFK? Easy. We used D-Scan and the moment anything not designed for mining showed up, we docked our Exhumers in the Orca and brought out less valuable targets including an ECM-frigate. So you are so wrong in claiming that Ice-Mining is AFK only.

See, years ago I have exclusively played in hard core top guilds including a world first kills one. I played and still play in large PvP guilds in WAR and GW2 (where we are pre-arranged - search for "The Unnamed" guild) and I am trying my hand in Entropia as well. I know too well how it works, why it works and also why I loved it. I also joined a very high activity PvP corp in EvE as you can easily check.

Then things of life happened and now all I can do is play 30 minutes a day, like the huge majority of those who are not 20 old any more. Also see the numbers of some MMOs catering for them vs numbers for EvE.

It's not easily feasible to log in and play EvE in this much common situation. Too short time to arrange something, all I could do if I mined would be to train trading on the mining alt that would sit somewhere in The Forge or another market hub and do 2 things. Then do PI while the ship keeps mining.

Is it optimal? NO. Does i suck? Certainly.

Should I quit EvE over this? Maybe, but if all those unable to enjoy EvE at its fullest would do that, then you'd see the numbers decimated. I am indeed slowly moving over to Entropia. Sandbox. (Obligatory) PvP when in space. Full player loot and every item is RL cash paid for (which makes EvE softcore lolgame in comparison). It allows me to log in and do little when I can't play a lot though.
Are you guys really after this? Because you want to kill the bots and CCP Sreegs seems damn good at it. You want to kill the zero fit wankers? Good. But no you want to go beyond that, you have idiots theorizing WW2 manifestos over it FFS.




Yes but

1) I feel Helicity has been abused out of his original idea and I want to keep something unique tied to him
2) I know you are the subsidizers, Helicity did the prizes for objectives though. I HATE subsidizing as a concept, therefore I'll stick with him.




Are you sure you can anchor cans so close each other?
How do GSCs fit with the "mine aligned, morons" advices?