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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-06-02 03:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Le Dei Opus
RubyPorto wrote:


I do, however, dislike people who come to the forums and whine that they were ganked in a game that explicitly allows ganking.




Where have I whined once about ganking? I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred that is being used as the scapegoat to enrich Goonies.

Ganking I have no problem with, I lost about 5-6 Hulks a year to ganks and never complained, but the profit and rewards more than paid for it. Now that's not possible, the Risk doesn't match the reward at all. If I were to be mining I'd be losing 8-10 a week. As for now I'll be taking my Tengu into WH's producing absolutely nothing for the community!


Stop PUTting words in my mouth. I never once complained about ganking, simply your attitudes towards semi-afk miners.

So sir when I say PUT UP or SHUT UP it doesn't mean to PUT words in my mouth.

On that grounds I am not responding to you again unless you put up a video.

Now.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-06-02 03:34:09 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.

PS

Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban?

If this was about the isk, I'd do the smart thing and mine with my buddies in goonswarm territory. If I was a highsec miner, I'd find some friends in game, set up a triple web with two of them, and have an orca pilot haul for the three of us. If I was so unpleasant I couldn't find any friends, I'd plex up an alt and put 'em in an Iteron V.

But since by your rules preclude all of these smarter, better, easier ways of mining, I guess I'll do it the needlessly risky and dumb way... since that seems to be the point of your challenge? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even bothering, it basically all seems to boil down to "Take the genuinely good advice given by gankers about what would deter them, and take it to it's ridiculous extremes for no real reason."

Then again, I got Arthur's Trucks in Dead Rising, so maybe pointlessly annoying achievements for no reason is just in my blood.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-06-02 03:34:25 UTC
Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:
, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.


You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-06-02 03:36:46 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting to jetcan mine in a mining barge? You'll be can flipped as soon as you blink your eye with a pirate corp hiding on the other side of the gate waiting for you to either 1) Be dumb and flip the can back or 2) Bring out a combat ship to thwart the can flipper. either way you'll die to the pirate corp that's hiding on the other side of the gate. Obviously you've never worked or mined a day in your life in EvE.

PS

Is Mittani still emo raging over his 30 day ban?

If this was about the isk, I'd do the smart thing and mine with my buddies in goonswarm territory. If I was a highsec miner, I'd find some friends in game, set up a triple web with two of them, and have an orca pilot haul for the three of us. If I was so unpleasant I couldn't find any friends, I'd plex up an alt and put 'em in an Iteron V.

But since by your rules preclude all of these smarter, better, easier ways of mining, I guess I'll do it the needlessly risky and dumb way... since that seems to be the point of your challenge? I'm honestly not sure why I'm even bothering, it basically all seems to boil down to "Take the genuinely good advice given by gankers about what would deter them, and take it to it's ridiculous extremes for no real reason."

Then again, I got Arthur's Trucks in Dead Rising, so maybe pointlessly annoying achievements for no reason is just in my blood.

How about Mittani, has his parents tried to convince him EvE is a game?
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#105 - 2012-06-02 03:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ituhata Saken
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:
, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.


You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.



Quote:
If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.


You can pretend that you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.

So close...
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#106 - 2012-06-02 03:37:33 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:
, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.


You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.

You're also spergy as hell, which is kind of turning me off the whole thing. Unless you really don't think it's obvious to literally everyone what this thread is about?

I dunno why I'm even bothering, it's not like I'll have a four hour block of completely uninterrupted time to film myself mining. I have a very rigorous masturbation schedule, you know.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#107 - 2012-06-02 03:37:33 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Ituhata SakenHowever wrote:
, I DO believe the majority of players hate you because when they interfere with your AFK mining you come to the forums and demand that action be taken in your favor.


You are lying. I never complained about being ganked. I asked people to make videos of themselves being righteous miners.

Liars cannot be taken seriously. Goodbye.



Quote:
If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.


You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.

GUESS WHAT

PUT UP OR SHUT UP
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-06-02 03:38:20 UTC
Jesus Christ the word filter here is arbitrary as ****.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#109 - 2012-06-02 03:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Le Dei Opus wrote:


On that grounds I am not responding to you again unless you put up a video.

Now.

PUT UP OR SHUT UP


I don't dislike AFK Miners, thus I am exempted from your stupid idea.

Also, I said "people who." If you didn't complain, then I didn't include you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-06-02 03:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Ituhata Saken wrote:
You can pretend they you aren't complaining about it, but the stealth whine did not go unnoticed.


That right there is the key of why there's so much vitriol towards the AFK mining whiners. They can talk about just wanting balance all they want, how they don't have a problem with ganking in principle, all of that good stuff. That one statement destroys it all - it's trying to imply that the recommendations on how to be safer (tanks, dscan, etc) aren't good recommendations if they don't make you 100% safe, that if you do these things and still die, clearly the suggestions were worthless.

That alone is stupid enough, but if you think about it, it's also telling you what they want from any potential game changes. It's not about balance, or making the risk vs reward more "even", it's about making themselves completely safe. Nothing else but that will ever be "fair" or "balanced" to them, and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#111 - 2012-06-02 03:43:36 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open.

5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2012-06-02 03:45:42 UTC
EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Man, you miners must be poor as **** if you think you could even get me to open my client for 5 million isk, let alone do something once it's open.

5m isk = $0.20 and that's crazy money in some commie country


Remember too, that's 5 million isk for 4 hours ever day for a month, so 5 million isk for 120 hours of gameplay that must be very specific and very recorded.

Somalian dirt farmers would laugh in your face at that offer.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#113 - 2012-06-02 03:48:05 UTC
Quote:
GUESS WHAT

PUT UP OR SHUT UP


I see you have no real rebuttal and no defense for the premise of the original post. Continually shouting a slogan will not win you points with your intended audience. I have asked you a very honest question which you really should consider, but I doubt you'll do much at this point other than put your hands over your ears and bleat out "lalalala i can't hear you". Honestly, I'm almost certain I'm being trolled, to which I say, "well done, sir or ma'am."

So close...
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-06-02 03:50:25 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.


Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was butthurt.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#115 - 2012-06-02 03:51:41 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.


Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored.



FYP

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Saladinae
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#116 - 2012-06-02 03:57:11 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.


Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored.



FYP



INB4 the brainwashed goonies are told to do a forum log on attack to kill this thread.


Btw, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.

Winmatar > Everything else
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#117 - 2012-06-02 04:00:33 UTC
Saladinae wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
[and that's why even someone with an extreme opinion like James 315 is basically right - they ARE a danger to Eve. They'd burn the game to the ground if it let them mine in peace and safety.


Last I recall it was Goonswarm that hosted Jita Burns because Mittani was bored.



FYP



INB4 the brainwashed goonies are told to do a forum log on attack to kill this thread.


Btw, you're all a bunch of hypocrites.


How am I a hypocrite? Also, please look at the words below my name. Not a goon either, never paid the $10 for the SA forums.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#118 - 2012-06-02 04:09:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Here is how another high sec miner is handling this whole situation.

You'll notice that he makes no mention of buffing exhumers and no mention of nerfing gankers. His post is well thought out and shares his experience and offers advice. Ironically, it is the same kind of advice that RubyPorto and others have tried to give you.

He gets it.

This is a high sec miner that I do not dislike.

Le Dei Opus wrote:
I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred


Many posters here don't hate miners. They just hate people that whine.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-06-02 05:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
I have. Even got suicide ganked while doing it. Didn't cry like a little ***** about it though. Actually I laughed.

But I must be smarter then a lot of people because I can multitask. I also have a special version of the client that allows me to play in a thing called windowed mode, so I would watch netflix on one half of my screen and mine on the other, but then I play on a 50" LCD so it's a little easier to that.

And no I wont make you a video of me doing it just because some selfrigheous little twerp on the internet wants to fap to me playing EVE. Pervert.

I actually thought about using the money I made from mining to buy plex, but I finally got approved for disability so I'm just going to let you pay for my account instead. LolLolLolLolLolLol
Reina Supremus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-06-02 05:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Reina Supremus
Reported the OP:

Why?

I personally don't care what either side thinks. However the OP demonstrates that there's a very strong surge of hate against a certain community within EvE that in general I do not consider healthy for EvE as a game. Now the OP responds with a counter-hate thread. Soon we'll all be cursing and swearing at each other because of...real hate over a fake video game.

We will all start to look ridiculous to outsiders who just started the game or were looking at the forums to decide whether or not to give it a try.

In all honesty Goonswarm, gank away. However, at least tell people it's for your Tech profits and not to "RID THE WORLD OF OF THE HEATHEN AFK MINERS" "HATE THEM" "BLAME THEM" "PERSECUTE THEM" "KILL THEM"

Why don't we rid the world of AFK mission runners and 0.01 ISK bots and jump freighters (yes there are bots that YOU NULL BEARS USE FOR JUMP FREIGHTING).

You're overtly creating hatred in a manner which shouldn't be tolerated in any video GAME (or REAL LIFE) no matter what the game is supposed to be about.

Go ahead and gank the miners to oblivion, but don't become hate merchants at the same time. I am ashamed that CCP has let you guys go that far.