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It's time to PUT UP or SHUT UP.

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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-06-01 21:31:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Le Dei Opus
Simetraz wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:


4) You must be in Caldari space.
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LOL after rereading it I found something I missed the first time.

This is suicide.

Any miner mining in this section of space is well ...........


It's not that crazy of a rule. If you are truly a "legitimate" miner who spams D-scan throughout the duration of your mining operation, you're in no more risk in Caldari space then any other high-sec space.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-06-01 21:34:32 UTC
Also, a second question. You want me to mine, every day, for a month for 300 million isk. I don't play every day, though, especially when I work doubles. Instead, can I have a certain number of hours I have to mine before the end of the month?

Also, if I get ganked once during the entire month, do I have to start over?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#43 - 2012-06-01 21:36:58 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
So? Doctor Benway Kado you were quite interested right? 300M not 5M, all you have to do is to accept the terms I posted before.

Sure. Just one question. Does dying to a war target count for your suicide ganking rule? Because, uh...


No, if you die, you don't take any ISK.

It's not dangerous, it's hi sec after all, all you have to do is to use D-Scan and tank properly.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-06-01 21:37:25 UTC
Also, does it have to be in highsec? Do ebooks count against the 'no entertainment' rule? Am I allowed to bring friends? Do I have to mine in a belt? Do I have to press dscan every couple seconds? What are you going to do to guarantee I'll get paid?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#45 - 2012-06-01 21:39:08 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Guys this is a fair and on-the-level challenge it just has to be in this one region that happens to be the home of the central market hub of the game and I have to know what system it's in so I can watch you to make sure you don't cheat I promise I won't tell anyone else what system that is though

Wait why is nobody accepting this challenge what is going on


Not all are dishonest like your kin.

Caldari has been chosen because it's where you HAVE to ice mine to get the most requested ice for the most requested POSes.

Being there to verify is needed, because it's too easy to jump clone 100 people to completely bar the system so the guy can do everything with blob support.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#46 - 2012-06-01 21:39:47 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Also, a second question. You want me to mine, every day, for a month for 300 million isk. I don't play every day, though, especially when I work doubles. Instead, can I have a certain number of hours I have to mine before the end of the month?

Also, if I get ganked once during the entire month, do I have to start over?


Not a whole month, just 4 hours.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-06-01 21:40:40 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Not all are dishonest like your kin.


Trusting random publords is what turns regular people into afk hulk mining whining babies.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-06-01 21:42:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Benway Kado
I guess it's all kind of moot anyway, since I can't/won't play every single day for a month.

Edit: Okay, wait. I'm getting confused. What are YOUR terms? Because the terms in the op definitely say an entire month.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-06-01 21:42:57 UTC
My mining alt is -10 lol

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#50 - 2012-06-01 21:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Also, does it have to be in highsec? Do ebooks count against the 'no entertainment' rule? Am I allowed to bring friends? Do I have to mine in a belt? Do I have to press dscan every couple seconds? What are you going to do to guarantee I'll get paid?


It's in any Caldari ice belt of your choice. Feel free to read an e-book, of course this will get you killed and you'll earn no ISK. No you have to do it like the average miner, that is in SOLO and no support AT ALL, I will check that this happens.

You will get full every few minutes and you will have to go to dump the stuff in a station, like every average joe.

Yes you must spam D-Scan for your own safety, after all it's what you guys tell miners to do every thread.

What I am going to guarantee? It's easy, I am not Chribba but I am extremely known in MD as auditor / 3rd party collateral holder (see signature) and if I did not pay the damage in reputation would be so major that 300M are insignificant.

Considering I sent up to 1B to random people just because I felt in the mood (look at EvEMarketeer MD thread, JEvEAssets MD thread...), 300M for me is a below pocket change.


Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
I guess it's all kind of moot anyway, since I can't/won't play every single day for a month.

Edit: Okay, wait. I'm getting confused. What are YOUR terms? Because the terms in the op definitely say an entire month.



My "offer" is separate, it's posted in one of my posts in this thread.


Whatever is your reply, I have already won.

If you refuse then you eat your words.
If you accept I will inflict 4h of pure torture well worth 300M.

Pure torture that is everyday's life for a miner during your tasty perma-Hulkageddon.


As they say, the best way to educate kittens to not poop in the house, is to make them eat their own poop.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-06-01 21:47:53 UTC
There's definitely something funny about a LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN MINE LIKE THE AVERAGE MINER challenge as a response to a campaign where one of the central points is that being an average miner is stupid and dangerous and should stop.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#52 - 2012-06-01 21:50:39 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
There's definitely something funny about a LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN MINE LIKE THE AVERAGE MINER challenge as a response to a campaign where one of the central points is that being an average miner is stupid and dangerous and should stop.


Well because reward is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the risk.

Hence why I upped the reward from the single digit per hour an ice miner would get to more than incursion.
Can't complain you get low reward, incursions are really where the leet guys are at!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-06-01 21:53:10 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well because reward is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the risk.

Hence why I upped the reward from the single digit per hour an ice miner would get to more than incursion.
Can't complain you get low reward, incursions are really where the leet guys are at!


And in doing that you also created a set of rules that negates just about every piece of advice that has ever come out of this thing (bring friends, pick systems smarter, etc). Also the whole "if you die, you lose" thing is hilarity since death is an inevitable part of Eve no matter what precautions you take.

Most third world elections are more on the level than this sorry excuse of a "challenge". You could pay 300 billion and it wouldn't even be worth plugging a webcam in.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-06-01 21:53:44 UTC
So let me get this straight - I have to mine like the average miner, except the average miner (I'm assuming here) doesn't have 80+ war decs against his corp. I also have to announce that I'm doing this.

That... hmm. Yeah, I dunno. Gonna have to eat crow on this one, guys. I bow down to your invincible logic, Vaerah Vahrokha. Mining like an idiot is idiotic.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#55 - 2012-06-01 21:57:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
So let me get this straight - I have to mine like the average miner, except the average miner (I'm assuming here) doesn't have 80+ war decs against his corp. I also have to announce that I'm doing this.

That... hmm. Yeah, I dunno. Gonna have to eat crow on this one, guys. I bow down to your invincible logic, Vaerah Vahrokha. Mining like an idiot is idiotic.


Hi sec miners have to learn and adapt to put their mining alts in NPC or other corps so they are impervious to wardecs.

I am saddened to learn this is too though for you guys.

Edit:

bah I apologize, you are actually a much nicer Goon than average, please don't take my challenging words as directed to your person.
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-06-01 22:00:46 UTC
Don't apologize. I was calling you a moron, albeit in a rather subtle way, so I could see why you missed it.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-06-01 22:02:18 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Considering I sent up to 1B to random people just because I felt in the mood (look at EvEMarketeer MD thread, JEvEAssets MD thread...), 300M for me is a below pocket change.


300m ISK for frapsing hours of mining, this is clearly a worthwhile offer

excuse me while I cook and take pictures of food and get paid a few billion

or make a crappy tutorial video and get 500m

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#58 - 2012-06-01 22:02:58 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Well because reward is soooooooooooooooooooooooo not worth the risk.

Hence why I upped the reward from the single digit per hour an ice miner would get to more than incursion.
Can't complain you get low reward, incursions are really where the leet guys are at!


And in doing that you also created a set of rules that negates just about every piece of advice that has ever come out of this thing (bring friends, pick systems smarter, etc). Also the whole "if you die, you lose" thing is hilarity since death is an inevitable part of Eve no matter what precautions you take.

Most third world elections are more on the level than this sorry excuse of a "challenge". You could pay 300 billion and it wouldn't even be worth plugging a webcam in.


The "pieces of advice" are just useless when they demand pro-gaming effort or expense for what's the lowest of the low.

Example: you CAN'T go in your favored system to mine Nitrogen Isotopes. You stay there, in a clusterf*ck near Jita with 100+ in local and die like a man.

Bring friends: this is indeed good advice but then if it's allowed you'll bring a blob of friends to completely seal the system, making the challenge basically void.

The "if you die you lose" is because you guys always preach about how low risk it is, all you have to do is to stay aligned (do it in an ice belt, go on my friend) and spam D-SCAN. Therefore it should be trivial to stay alive, no?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-06-01 22:04:13 UTC
"Please go against all the advice you've given on these forums like not mining next door to a market hub and you'll get a total of 305 million ISK"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#60 - 2012-06-01 22:04:30 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
Don't apologize. I was calling you a moron, albeit in a rather subtle way, so I could see why you missed it.


No problem, I like to assume people are better than they actually are.

You think it's weakness, I think it's good education.