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Tanking the hulk: medium ancillary shield booster

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#1 - 2012-06-01 18:12:37 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
So I've been messing around with the new ASB modules in pyfa, and I'm finding that one of the most interesting possibilities is giving the Hulk a 200 DPS tank on TOP of a 20k EHP buffer. Pfya lists this as having 20.5k EHP with a 232.4 DPS tank while the booster is running. You can load the booster with ten cap booster 50s and run it cap stable for the duration of an attempted gank (assuming Pyfa is calculating the booster use properly)

It's not fool-proof and no matter what you do you're still vulnerable to two tornado volleys, but it might be a significant difference for those miners who actually pay attention to their surroundings and are able to react to ships appearing on grid.

Why am I, a griefer and supporter of ganking posting this? Because it requires effort and sacrifice. Bots and afk miners need not apply; you have to be paying attention to use this. Max yield addicts who can't live without dual MLUs won't like it either because they'll give up that ~15% yield. I want the people--even the miners--who actually play the game and are willing to put in the time to research and test fits to succeed, this *might* give them an advantage over their afk, inattentive, and ignorant competition.

The fit is a little bit odd-looking and I'm sure could be improved upon. This is just a proof-of-concept at a mixed Hulk tank that might provide some much-needed active tanking. If you have ideas on giving it more tank without absurdly increasing the price, feel free to share.

[Hulk, Tankity]

Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 100
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-01 18:14:49 UTC
No cargo expanders in lows? PASS

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-01 18:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
B-b-b-b-b-but that doesn't optimise my ISK/hr ratio at all! How can I possibly be expected to make fitting trade offs like everyone else does as a miner?

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#4 - 2012-06-01 18:16:01 UTC
I'd be a little wary, I'd rather go full buffer tank for about 29k EHP myself.

So close...
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-01 18:17:45 UTC
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

Now why do you think a high-sec miner should there sacrifice yield ?


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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-01 18:19:38 UTC
I think without using T2 rigs, the EHP of a hulk reaches around 28k?

And i believe the only real defense against an "Alpha" is EHP.

As this can possibly have its use, it makes "Alpha" easier.
Price Check Aisle3
#7 - 2012-06-01 18:20:21 UTC
Hulks don't belong in high-sec.
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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-01 18:20:25 UTC
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5


37k ehp against blasters but hey I guess 15% more yield is more important than surviving because CCP will make hisec safer for you right?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-01 18:21:25 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

Now why do you think a high-sec miner should there sacrifice yield ?


because the nullsec miners actually play the game like a multiplayer game unlike the solo AFK mining botters like you

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#10 - 2012-06-01 18:22:06 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
I think without using T2 rigs, the EHP of a hulk reaches around 28k?

And i believe the only real defense against an "Alpha" is EHP.

As this can possibly have its use, it makes "Alpha" easier.



Pretty close, I came up with this, of course, max skills.

Hulk

So close...
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-01 18:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Richard Desturned wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

Now why do you think a high-sec miner should there sacrifice yield ?


because the nullsec miners actually play the game like a multiplayer game unlike the solo AFK mining botters like you


No that is how they get ganked.
The question is why should they sacrifice their yield.
And go ahead and report me as a botter if you believe me to be one.

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-01 18:27:41 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
No that is why that ganked the question is why should they sacrifice their yield.


The current state of the game, what with the Hulk killing payouts, presents a choice: Fit tank and make yourself a hard/unattractive target, or fit for yield and die in a blaze the moment a gank fit Catalyst finds you.

These fits are proof that you have a CHOICE, and that the loss of your shitfit Hulk is not a result of game imbalances, but a result of your greed overriding your common sense.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-06-01 18:31:48 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
The question is why should they sacrifice their yield.
And go ahead and report me as a botter if you believe me to be one.


Even with a tanked Hulk you still have superior yield to any conceivable fitting on any other ship in the game.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-01 18:34:15 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
No that is why that ganked the question is why should they sacrifice their yield.


The current state of the game, what with the Hulk killing payouts, presents a choice: Fit tank and make yourself a hard/unattractive target, or fit for yield and die in a blaze the moment a gank fit Catalyst finds you.

These fits are proof that you have a CHOICE, and that the loss of your shitfit Hulk is not a result of game imbalances, but a result of your greed overriding your common sense.


Choice.
Did you know that a hulk gives a 15 % bonus to yield (at level 5)
So wouldn't it make more sense to just fly a Covetor then worry about tanking a Hulk ?

And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec.
They really have no business being there.
In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.



EVERYBODY KNOWS
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-01 18:39:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Simetraz wrote:
Choice.
Did you know that a hulk gives a 15 % bonus to yield (at level 5)
So wouldn't it make more sense to just fly a Covetor then worry about tanking a Hulk ?


15% from the Exhumers skill at V and 15% from Mining Barge V. You don't even know how your own ships work. Also 37.5% to shield resistances at Exhumers V - funny, that looks like a TANK skill to me, almost as if it's what your ship was meant to do?

Just the same, if a Covetor provides even yield and less risk, then it's...wait for it..YOUR CHOICE!

Simetraz wrote:
And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec.
They really have no business being there.
In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.


Ban Strat Cruisers and Marauders from L4 missions and Macks from mining Ice AFK?

This'd be the funniest thing ever.

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Maledictum Aideron
In Praise of Bacchus
#16 - 2012-06-01 18:41:03 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
No that is why that ganked the question is why should they sacrifice their yield.


The current state of the game, what with the Hulk killing payouts, presents a choice: Fit tank and make yourself a hard/unattractive target, or fit for yield and die in a blaze the moment a gank fit Catalyst finds you.

These fits are proof that you have a CHOICE, and that the loss of your shitfit Hulk is not a result of game imbalances, but a result of your greed overriding your common sense.


Choice.

And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec.
They really have no business being there.
In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.





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Sarton Wells
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-06-01 18:43:04 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
The question is why should they sacrifice their yield.
And go ahead and report me as a botter if you believe me to be one.


You don't have to sacrifice yield. If you're comfortable with the risk of losing the hulk then you don't need any tank. It's not like your hulk blows up if you undock with no tank. It's your choice whether you want to risk it or play it safer.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-01 18:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Snow Axe wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
Choice.
Did you know that a hulk gives a 15 % bonus to yield (at level 5)
So wouldn't it make more sense to just fly a Covetor then worry about tanking a Hulk ?


15% from the Exhumers skill at V and 15% from Mining Barge V. You don't even know how your own ships work. Also 37.5% to shield resistances at Exhumers V - funny, that looks like a TANK skill to me, almost as if it's what your ship was meant to do?

Just the same, if a Covetor provides even yield and less risk, then it's...wait for it..YOUR CHOICE!

Simetraz wrote:
And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec.
They really have no business being there.
In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.


Ban Strat Cruisers and Marauders from L4 missions and Macks from mining Ice AFK?

This'd be the funniest thing ever.


You guys are the ones that believe that Hulks have no business in High-sec.
If Hulks don't belong there then neither does any other T2 or T3 ship.

Yes it is completely stupid as stupid as trying to tell a miner they need to tank there hulk on the off chance they might get ganked.
And telling people to tank there is even funny coming from a null alliance where you know very well PvP ships are set up as gank first then tank configurations.

This has been fun but spout your rhetoric to the puppies you got ganking for you.
This has been fun but moving on now.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#19 - 2012-06-01 18:48:53 UTC
Because your yeild turns to 0 when the hulk is blown up.

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-06-01 18:51:56 UTC
Well, It's actually been a really long time since i mined, i think the trend going is mining is starting to cease in hi sec.

This will raise low end mineral values because every 0.0 alliance in eve gets their low end minerals from hi sec.

This will drive the 0.0 miners to hi sec because they can make the absolutely same amount of isk in hi sec as 0.0.

Furthermore, Reducing yield is like fittinig more tank on your PvP ship at the expense of dps. I believe the PvP trend is mostly to have the right amount of dps otherwise your fit is gimped.
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