EVE General Discussion

So, I decided that if I'm going to be forced to spam D-scan for every boring and miserable second that I'm mining on mining accounts that I use a great portion of their ISK mining income to buy PLEX to fund their accounts, that I may as well cancel all those accounts and just go Wormholing in my Tengu on my main one ONE account.

The profit of Wormholes is far superior to mining in high sec, AND IT SHOULD BE. Bringing a ship into a wormhole is a very risky affair and certainly not something you can do while watching TV or playing chess on your computer. Y

Yes, that's right, I admitted that I returned to my computer about once every 10-15 minutes while mining to haul my ore back. High sec mining (when you include the monthly PLEX costs in ISK per mining account) is seriously no where near as rewarding as you think, and the loss of a Hulk is nearly equally devestating. Also, before you go hating on semi-afk mining, consider that anyone would would stare at PIXEL asteroids for 2+ hours a day WOULD BE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL.

Now granted if I'm flying around in a blinged out Hulk with deadspace tanking modules and T2 rigs, I should expect to be ganked. However when I'm flying in a 25k ehp Hulk, I consider that to normally be a deterrent against people who would gank a Hulk "for the lulz." As such my Hulk losses very rare and I never mined during Hulkageddon.

Now I didn't complain about this Hulkageddon, because all the previous Hulkageddons lasted only a month and I was content with my ISK pool that I would accumulate between Hulkageddons.

However, as of today, Goonswarm announced that Hulkageddon would be permanent. Now my other three mining accounts will remain closed and as of today I'm closing my primary mining account because I no longer feel like baby-sitting in my heavily armor tanked Arbitrator spamming D-scan on my main to protect that one Hulk with Large Shield Transporters and ECM drones/modules.

I may as well ENJOY my ISK -making in EvE and just fly my mothballed Tengu back into WH's and farm away. Of course I won't be able to devote my time to this as much as I did mining (because I could do things around the house, feed my dog, mow the lawn, do my research papers etc while mining) so between the increased hourly "wage" of Wormholes and inflation of the market (and thus inflation of WH loot) I expect to make around as much money as I have been while mining and perhaps more, although this will demand constant activity and attention.

Oh, actually it wouldn't require any more constant activity and attention that is the current state of high sec mining. So, why even bother mining anymore?

I wouldn't worry about hulkageddon too much. If they make it permanent eventually the hype will die down and it will go back to normal ganking rates. As far as mining income, yes it's broken. You can thank bots and isk farmers for that mostly. That and the drone regions played a part before they stopped dropping minerals. It will take a while for the actual effects of this to fully set in, because people still have stockpiles of ore from the drone regions. The war on botting also appears to be picking up, so hopefully this will have an effect as well. I'm not a miner, but I do agree with you, and I would like to see mining become a worthwhile activity again. On another note though, you could try mining with a battleship, I hear the rokh is pretty good, and very few gankers, hulkageddon or not, are going to attempt to gank a rokh when there's a blinged out hulk one belt over.

And how will you be able to manufacture those shiny T3's you fly in WH without any minerals from mining?

CCP should just force everyone to only build ships using ore they have mined themself.
That would give more respect to mining

All miners should move to WHs anyway. Safer mining and better ore.
WH is pretty safe place when you do things PROPERLY.

Cascade Associates has prestigious rental arrangements available where suicide gankers are not a problem.

Till they ditch all their renters and swap space with the enemy with their tail between their legs.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/13/the-south-meet-the-greatest-back-room-deal-of-2012/

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/19/disaster-strikes-for-fail-the-legion-drops-it-like-its-hot/

I heard you like losing supercaps.

Well, It is very hard to fly a Tengu, when you do not have the skills for it.


On a side note. I cannot even begin to imagine, why people whine and cry about mining. I predominantly mine in Hi sec. (I have no shame in this). Mining done correctly is as safe as anything else in this game. I for one, in 1 year of mining, have not lost a hulk.

To start with.

MOVE out of Caldari space.

Caldari space appears to have the biggest concentration of kills. If you are not there, you are not on the Gankers list of hits.

Be atleast six jumps from any Trade Hub

Again like Caldari space. Trade Hubs are also a magnet for Gankers. Distancing yourself from where Gankers roam, increases your safety.

Use only Systems with less than 15 players in them

Being able to use local, is important to seeing who is in system. It becomes more apparent a Gank is incomming, if you can see the spike in local. Generally Dscanning, once someone jumps in, can tell you what ship they're flying. Dessie's and Nado's should press alarm bells. 4 dessies = GTFO

Chat to locals, Make friends with other players in your system.

This allows you to form intel and opinions, of the players in that system. You get to learn what ships they fly, and what career they follow. As a rule locals do not gank other locals.

Create a Chat Room with said locals. Use this Chat room for keeping Intel, and socialising.

A chat room is a good tool to have. Use the MOTD, to display potential Gankers and other useful infomation. Invite those that you are comfortable with. Use this chat, to remain in contact, without having to reveal any Intel into local chat. Those travelling to Trade Hubs can send back Intel back via this Chat room. Although not a given rule, But those in the chat room would not be potential gankers.

Use this new community to helping each other.

Cooperation is possibly the one tool, to beat all tools. Fleeting up and boosting other miners is appreciated, and forms good will. When you Haul to a Trade hub, try to take everyones stuff as well. This reduces the amount of Hauling being done. A simple courier contract, and job is done. Sharing knowledge and experiences help make the community stronger.

TANK YOUR HULK!!!!!!

Tanking your Hulk, reduces the window of oppotunity of the ganker. 1 dessie on Dscan, becomes irrevelent. It would take a fleet of dessies, to take you out. Being situated where you are. you'd see this coming a mile off.

DONT mine, when potential threats are in system.

Goes without saying. If you are unsure of the safety of the system. Dont undock in an Indy.

Don't mine continously.

Take a break once in a while. Break up your routine. Do some scanning. Missions, or Ratting. A gang of Gankers could arrive at your system, while you are doing anyone of these. If you offer them no target, they soon leave.

DON'T AFK mine.

The ultimate no brainer. If you are not there, you cannot see danger incomming. This one act invalidates all of the above. You DESERVE to lose your ship.


Following these simple rules, makes mining safer, NOT safe, but it does make it harder for the Ganker.


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Not even going to read but just blindly reply to your title...

What do you expect new players to do while they learn and make ISK to buy a Tengu?

I agree! Imagine the isk we would all save by flying free ships since we mined the ore ourselves.

This monkey is living proof

:3

This is pretty much an accurate summary of my post thanks.