EVE General Discussion

Wow, it's almost as if there's a consequence to wanting NPC's to police you!

Of course, if you actually want that control, lowsec isn't far away!

…you report them and have their accounts banned.

My point exactly. If the space belong to npc, it is their sovereignty to defend, and by fiat, CCP's. By not 'caring', CCP is in essence not caring about the 70% of the player base that lives in hisec.

Either they hand over sovereignty of, and therefore, the right to defend it as we see fit, Empire Space, or they defend it themselves. Right now we don't have the right to do so ourselves without risking our own sec status, and right now CCP is not running hisec security as any human empire in their right mind would.

I mean, really, if hisec corps started running some kind of reverse-hulkageddon on GS, in GS space, wouldn't GS respond with a plan of defense? They can do so, because they have impunity in their space. They can do whatever the hell they want to curb such a campaign. Hisec residents do not have such an option, and would become enemies of npc corps if they tried.

Actually, EvE's active population has decreased over the years in a pretty graph style formula. While subscriptions increase, Active player numbers have decreased.

I've been playing since the game was in beta, Over the past 4 years every time I log on I check the Player count. It has gone from 50k+ on 24/7 to 12k-25k on at the same time. (I play at all hours of the day 24/7 depending on the day and have been on dureing all time zones for years).

This is a 50% to 75% drop in active online players.

This drop is due to events like Burn Jita, and Hulkigeddon, because 80% (As one of the CSM's pointed out earlier) are Highsec players not interested in politics, PvP, or anything involving "Things which CCP defines as their Goals for EvE". As CCP changes the rules of highsec and continually not only allows events such as these, but in fact encourages them, the players who can no longer live in highsec and enjoy playing leave the game.

I can count "countless" individuals who have came and gone that I have personally known in EvE either through an alliance or a corporation who leave because "the game is just not fun anymore, when you play for a week and then loose everything in 2 seconds in an area which is sanctioned as "safe". This alone is not why they leave however, no their reasons for leaving is because CCP refuses to do anything about it, such as inflicting extremely severe consequences on the player for "Suicide Ganking" which if you look at that from a Game Mechanic viewpoint is in and of itself an "Exploit", to kill someone without paying to wardec them or using the allotted in game systems to do such "legally and Game wise".

And the CCP definition of an exploit is: Preforming an Action which allows a player to bypass set game mechanics.

By this definition Suicide Ganking is an "Exploit" which allows a player to "Suicide themselves" in order to kill others in highsec at very little or no cost or consequence to themselves without following proper game rules and paying to wardec the individual or corp, This also exploits the NPC corp "Non ability to be wardec'd" as these players can still be "Suicided" in highsec.

Yet CCP encourages such exploits, when their policy says that they will ban for exploiting. This Suicide Exploit, is no different then using say the mining lazes exploit to get a better yield on asteroids. Both bypass set game mechanics in order to achieve the desired result, Yet CCP bans for one (The Mining one) and not the other. Neither use outside programs or bots, so if one is an exploit, and bannable, so must the other be.

This is simply another example of CCP being two faced, they say Exploits are bannable, but only ban for "some" exploits. While encouraging others whenever it is "Convenient" or Inconvenient to deal with them.

+1 Like for you for summing up this thread in such an elegant manner.

High sec is not sanctioned as safe. Sorry you can't understand that.



It's not an exploit, though.

It is an INTENDED gameplay mechanic. Were it not an intended gameplay mechanic, CCP could - with trivial ease and probably far fewer lines of code than Concord requires - simply disable combat in high security. Any offensive action taken against another pilot would simply fail, with a prompt indicating that you can't do that here. Done and done.

Instead of doing that extremely simple thing, they INTENTIONALLY implemented a far more complicated system that both allows for ganking in high security, and metes out punishment for it. Thus, suicide gankers are not exploiting anything - they are playing within the bounds of an intended gameplay mechanic that was willfully designed to allow for their actions.

That's impressive. That would mean that there are more people disinterested in politics in highsec than there are people in highsec, and that there are fewer voters than there are people interested.

No, because it does not bypass the game mechanics. In fact, it's the suicide part that ensures that it isn't an exploit.


By the way, there was never a time when there was 50k+ players on 24/7.

You left out the rest of that statement, it wasn't all about politics, you forgot the PvP, etc after it.
And yes there was a time there was 45k-50k + on I should know I have been playing for 9 years. + Beta. And I am one of the FEW beta players left. THAT should tell you something.

Really? How have they restricted industry? How are they forcing people into PvP (beyond what the game inherently demands)? How are they forcing players into 0.0? How are they restricting “non pvp related areas” (whatever that means)?

Funny that… the successful 0.0 alliances have all had a very strong industrial base (since that's kind of needed if you want to get ahead out there).

It was left out because it makes no difference. The simple fact remains: you're quoting an impossibly high number.

…during peak hours. We still see those numbers. There was never a time when, as you claimed, there was 50k+ players on 24/7.

It should tell me that you know a thing or two about EVE. Unfortunately, your claims tell me the exact opposite, so that pretty much removes any hope that age would bring knowledge.

Because they can't restrict 100% combat without restricting 100% combat in high security space. In otherwords if they did there would be NO combat in Highsec with players, No in corp duels, No tournaments, etc. EvE is not ment to be like wow wher you can't fight someone, and engineering a game mechanic which allows the free combat while protecting specific individuals is a daunting "Code and Programming" task.

Concord is the feeble attempt at this. now if concord FINED the Ganker the cost of the ship he just killed + Podded the Ganker, THAT would be fair.