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Demiourgus
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-01 02:32:08 UTC
Surrely i will not post this sort of thing with my main and i don't espect that who reply do so, don't troll me about that.

I played eve for...well...since 2008, so four years, with pauses of course, long and short; i think that i'm seasoned enough for some simple and logic observation.
I sperimented the pew pew Pirate side of the game, in all sec type of space, and the carabear side, as miner and tech 2 crafter so i'm quite neutral about the all the questions of "yeah a carabear, KILL HIM" or "mmm, those roids are juicy" but i'm worried about the evolution of event.

The ccp powered destroyer ships type and goons catch the momentum for start the biggest hukageddon event that this game got so far, why? isk of course, they controll the right "moon goo" for earn much more than 100m for 10 exhumers destroyed, but this isn't the problem, hulkageddon isn't the problem, personally i found that really fun as event, but not as routine, but this is only my considerations and since game mechanics allow it ... the problem is that 3 t1 ship (value is around 15m with shiny t2 fitting) have a SURE gank, even in hi sec, if the targhet is an exhumer (not only hulk, even mackinaw that is even more fragile) that worth 200-300m AND got income even if they lose ship after they got concorded cause the insurance and the loot, goons bonus a part (a modulated strip miner worth 5-6m you know...), this created a loophole on the efficency of hi sec mining; for those that don't know 65-70% of minerals in eve are made by reprocessing thing, the problem is that reprocess lack of tritanium and pyerite, needed in mass for the production of ships and modules, so the other 20%(about) are made in hi sec for trit mostly; now we got much less miner (cause they don't undock for fear) and of course the price of ALL modules and ships will go up due the lackness of minerals.

[Miner question: don't even try to tell me "just stay focused and don't afk mine, check your scanner" and this kinda of bullshit, mining is already boring, rewrite the mining sistem if you don't want afk miner, now spam the button of system scanner is too much crazy for me, usually i study when mine, FOR RAISE 20-40M IN HI SEC AN HULK NEED ONE OUR OF MINING, how you expect that a miner stay one our to click the scan button? And another thing, have a tanking hulk, for those who don't know even how a hulks work, mean MUCH LESS mineral mined for a ship that should be specialized in mining, and even a tanking one don't resist at 3 destroyers (15m and profict even if concorded).]

The main problem isn't for old player, that already got all the ship that he wanted and the right buisness for replace those, the main problem is new players, missions will not pay enought for allow him to replace his shity t1 cruiser.

My proposal is to rebalance ships (like exhumers) for adapt them with the powered destroyers, not eliminate the hi-sec ganking, is part of game.

Sorry for my bad spelling and gramm, english isn't my strenght.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-06-01 07:42:26 UTC
Those destroyers already get no insurance. Just saying.

Why should a civilian non combat craft be able to stand up to multiple pure combat ships anyway? Cost is not a factor in ship balancing, the last time they tried to use it as one, we got supercaps. Remember that.
Demiourgus
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-01 12:29:19 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Those destroyers already get no insurance. Just saying.

Why should a civilian non combat craft be able to stand up to multiple pure combat ships anyway? Cost is not a factor in ship balancing, the last time they tried to use it as one, we got supercaps. Remember that.


Bullshit, cost is allways a factor of balancing as everyone know in eve, particulary for exhumers cause those ship should bring you money, no one will mine more if a ship that cost 300m can be popped in hi sec from one that cost 5m, exhumers are not fighiter ship, you made an investment if you buy one, if this investment in crappy you don't buy it.

civilian non combat ship? aren't we tired of those sort of ****? for pilot an hullk you need toons of skill and money, i don't see where is the "civilian side" in that, a vexor is a mining cruiser like the osprey, those are considered "civilian"?

I don't care what you use or who you are, make non-stupid and non-goliardic observation please or don't answer.
Natasha Hec
Croatoan Enterprises
#4 - 2012-06-01 15:12:27 UTC
Demiourgus wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Those destroyers already get no insurance. Just saying.

Why should a civilian non combat craft be able to stand up to multiple pure combat ships anyway? Cost is not a factor in ship balancing, the last time they tried to use it as one, we got supercaps. Remember that.


Bullshit, cost is allways a factor of balancing as everyone know in eve, particulary for exhumers cause those ship should bring you money, no one will mine more if a ship that cost 300m can be popped in hi sec from one that cost 5m, exhumers are not fighiter ship, you made an investment if you buy one, if this investment in crappy you don't buy it.

civilian non combat ship? aren't we tired of those sort of ****? for pilot an hullk you need toons of skill and money, i don't see where is the "civilian side" in that, a vexor is a mining cruiser like the osprey, those are considered "civilian"?

I don't care what you use or who you are, make non-stupid and non-goliardic observation please or don't answer.


Cost isn't a factor in balance.

Hulk pilots should stop being morons and take some precautions like everyone else.
Demiourgus
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-01 16:22:14 UTC
Demiourgus wrote:
Miner question: don't even try to tell me "just stay focused and don't afk mine, check your scanner" and this kinda of bullshit, mining is already boring, rewrite the mining sistem if you don't want afk miner, now spam the button of system scanner is too much crazy for me, usually i study when mine, FOR RAISE 20-40M IN HI SEC AN HULK NEED ONE OUR OF MINING, how you expect that a miner stay one our to click the scan button? And another thing, have a tanking hulk, for those who don't know even how a hulks work, mean MUCH LESS mineral mined for a ship that should be specialized in mining, and even a tanking one don't resist at 3 destroyers (15m and profict even if concorded).


Demiourgus wrote:
no one will mine more if a ship that cost 300m can be popped in hi sec from one that cost 5m, exhumers are not fighiter ship, you made an investment if you buy one, if this investment in crappy you don't buy it.


Already asnwered to your observation
Demiourgus
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-01 18:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Demiourgus
So no reply? No solution? No more trolling or insult?

(bump)

This is a real problem, miner profession will be no more cause every player start in hi sec, no one will begine the miner profession cause is unsafe, risky and non profictable, even in hi sec, this cause some old and bored players that got too much skillpoint are too coward for do pvp where needed (0.0) cause goons are too much powerfull? cause you don't whant to risk your slave implant set? cause your carrier cost too much or you don't have the balls for be -10 sec status and be a low sec pirate?

Bullshit, the first people that should stop to be moron are hi-sec ganker, they don't want that destroyed be nerfed again, they don't want that exhumers will be improved, they don't want that noobs live and say them that eve is a bad game cause everything is unsafe...

Gankers tears.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#7 - 2012-06-01 18:44:06 UTC
Demiourgus wrote:
So no reply? No solution? No more trolling or insult?

(bump)

This is a real problem, miner profession will be no more cause every player start in hi sec, no one will begine the miner profession cause is unsafe, risky and non profictable, even in hi sec, this cause some old and bored players that got too much skillpoint are too coward for do pvp where needed (0.0) cause goons are too much powerfull? cause you don't whant to risk your slave implant set? cause your carrier cost too much or you don't have the balls for be -10 sec status and be a low sec pirate?

Bullshit, the first people that should stop to be moron are who gank noobs in hi sec.


As an ex miner turned Pirate and -10, most hulk pilots are idiots and take no precautions. they don't tank or watch dscan.

Price is not a balancing factor. It is decided by market forces alone and is ever changing, if price decided balance Eve would no longer be Eve everyone would sit in invulnerable expensive ships and pop anything cheaper because they are able to due to their price.

Ganking has gone on for years and yet people still mine and they will continue to regardless of whether the Ganking continues or not.

I will admit that mining is boring though and it should be something ccp changes so it isn't so mind numbing.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Demiourgus
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-01 19:09:33 UTC
Now this is the first serious reply.

CCP should invent something for keep a miner in front of the monitor so they can stay on alert.
But this question has been raised A LOT of time and A LOT of time ccp do nothing or very little for solve the problem and i don't think that they will solve that soon, or ever.

So problem sussist...sure it would be great invent a new mining metod, a challenging one, not one that, if you don't afk mine, you should keep your eyes on the strip cicle...