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When does all the ganking make mining worth it?
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Veronica Kerrigan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2012-06-26 06:17:56 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

Highsec is supposed to be the tutorial area, with the least risk but also the lowest rewards. There should be absolutely zero profit for veteran players in highsec. If you have the skills to fly a Hulk, you should be forced to move to lowsec or 0.0 to get any money. You should NOT be given a nice gank-free AFK income source like highsec miners demand.

Hulkageddon should be impossible for the simple reason that there are no Hulks in highsec, and therefore nothing to suicide gank besides a handful of tutorial players mining in their frigates.


In case you were wondering, there are much greater profits in lower security space. The highsec miner bears choose to get very low ISK/hour, and in exchange they put enough low end minerals on the market to keep the manufacturing sector happy. They are actually quite important as a source of cheap labor, much like illegal immigrants. Sure you don't like them on principal, but ya don't want to pay twice as much for a sack of potatoes.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-06-26 06:26:46 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
Have fun ganking and podding newbies who are hurting your game so much.


those poor newbies are losing their hulks (((

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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-06-26 06:33:56 UTC
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2012-06-26 06:34:27 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.


"don't fly what you can't afford to lose"

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Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-06-26 06:37:56 UTC
dont play what you cant be arsed to play anymore.

gg
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-06-26 06:42:15 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
dont play what you cant be arsed to play anymore.

gg


eve isn't for everyone

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#147 - 2012-06-26 06:47:33 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.


FFS, how about learning to read? I explicitly said that highsec is for newbies. It's very simple:

If you're mining in a Vexor, you're a newbie and I have no problem with you being in low-risk highsec while working towards something better.

If you're mining in a Hulk you are not a newbie, and you deserve to be ganked until you ragequit and/or CCP finally moves all the Hulk-scale minerals to lowsec.
Veronica Kerrigan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2012-06-26 06:54:35 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.


FFS, how about learning to read? I explicitly said that highsec is for newbies. It's very simple:

If you're mining in a Vexor, you're a newbie and I have no problem with you being in low-risk highsec while working towards something better.

If you're mining in a Hulk you are not a newbie, and you deserve to be ganked until you ragequit and/or CCP finally moves all the Hulk-scale minerals to lowsec.


Mining is not a bad thing. Without mining, there would not be an economy. They do what they do so we can do what we do. If they want to get paid poorly for something extremely boring, so be it, but the second you get rid of highsec mining, it's going to make PvP too expensive to be feasible for someone who only missions occasionally, and forces THEM into highsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#149 - 2012-06-26 06:59:14 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
If you're mining in a Hulk you are not a newbie, and you deserve to be ganked until you ragequit and/or CCP finally moves all the Hulk-scale minerals to lowsec.

Speaking of which, do hulks still mine out the veld in rookie systems? I know I saw belts with a hulk or two in them when I was a newbie :)

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#150 - 2012-06-26 07:00:48 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.

I'll be honest here, I went to 0.5 as a newbie too.

However, it's pretty much the most dangerous place in highsec. IIRC, gankers look at the 0.7 sec CONCORD time. In 0.5, you can pull off some crazy things...

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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2012-06-26 07:28:49 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.


FFS, how about learning to read? I explicitly said that highsec is for newbies. It's very simple:

If you're mining in a Vexor, you're a newbie and I have no problem with you being in low-risk highsec while working towards something better.

If you're mining in a Hulk you are not a newbie, and you deserve to be ganked until you ragequit and/or CCP finally moves all the Hulk-scale minerals to lowsec.


Flying an Hulk is not a privilege for the 2003 player with 150M SP. It takes all of 57 days to fly an Hulk.

A below 2 months old character is CERTAINLY not a newbie! Oh wait.
Nomad I
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-06-26 07:32:51 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

So, the question: when will enough carebears ragequit to get the ISK/hour for mining to a point that the profit justifies the endless misery of mining? At what point will even the most dedicated griefers and pirates find themselves training Mining Barge V?


No chance. The respawn timer for miner is less than 10min.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#153 - 2012-06-26 07:36:55 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Reech Yvormes wrote:
yeah well my mining vexor was ganked, and podded and lost my implants in 0.5 which is high sec. i had +4s so i could train quicker and do pvp quicker. i was in a vexor because i didnt want to fuggin train mining.

id only played a month. thats the sort of backwards thinkers you people are.


FFS, how about learning to read? I explicitly said that highsec is for newbies. It's very simple:


The only simple thing here is you. High sec is not "for newbies". It's for everyone and anyone. The idea that null sec is the end game is just rubbish. It's a different "lifestyle" in the sandbox, that's all.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-06-26 07:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
merin you were saying high sec is for tutorial players. i tried going to 0.4 space earlier on in my career, i got ganked and was fine with it because i went into a place that said, this is low security go beyond at your own risk. i was ganked on the otherside of the jump gate straight away lol. i went back to mining to rebuy a new ship, so i could try that again.

but high sec is also for -10 security players too, to just fly around ganking newbies at will and sending troll mails afterwards like "good fight"?

this is like the opposite end of the carebear spectrum. this is griefbear. i think i want something with some decency in it too.

like the guy said before eve isnt for everybody. and i dont expect eve to change just for me, so im cutting my losses where i am, and just going to wait for some other space game to catch my eye.

(the videos of big battles and stuff all over the eve websites are just teasing)
Pipa Porto
#155 - 2012-06-26 08:02:22 UTC
Reech Yvormes wrote:
merin you were saying high sec is for tutorial players. i tried going to 0.4 space earlier on in my career, i got ganked and was fine with it because i went into a place that said, this is low security go beyond at your own risk. i was ganked on the otherside of the jump gate straight away lol. i went back to mining to rebuy a new ship, so i could try that again.

but high sec is also for -10 security players too, to just fly around ganking newbies at will and sending troll mails afterwards like "good fight"?

this is like the opposite end of the carebear spectrum. this is griefbear. i think i want something with some decency in it too.


No, Rookie systems are for newbies. HS is for everyone and is decidedly not safe.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Betrinna Cantis
#156 - 2012-06-26 08:13:14 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Anyway, the point of the thread is not to complain about goons, it's a serious question about when the profit of mining will rise to a level that even people who currently hate mining will be tempted to train mining barge skills and get in on the easy money.

There it is... The reason miners are hated. Easy Money. You think it is "easy" mining in todays EVE? Come on out in Hi sec and give'er a try. See how long it takes you(not you per say,general statement)to lose 300 mil . Not all people that mine there are carebears. Some do it to pay for the PVP ships they use.

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
Itis Zhellin
#157 - 2012-06-26 08:14:29 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

....

As a new player I have a hard time to understand your point of view. How the fuk I suppose to move into null with 2-3M SP? I can't even explore anything under 0.6 without being raped, abused and then asked to leave because I'm bad for the game.

It's really ******** how come the null players want everybody to move into null, but they also make sure the gates there are sealed. So they can continue blaming and reasoning ganking the high sec, while they can keep all the resources only for them. No wonder that this game never was and will never be popular, even if its design and concept is brilliant.
Daedalus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-06-26 08:19:46 UTC
Itis Zhellin wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

....

As a new player I have a hard time to understand your point of view. How the fuk I suppose to move into null with 2-3M SP? I can't even explore anything under 0.6 without being raped, abused and then asked to leave because I'm bad for the game.

It's really ******** how come the null players want everybody to move into null, but they also make sure the gates there are sealed. So they can continue blaming and reasoning ganking the high sec, while they can keep all the resources only for them. No wonder that this game never was and will never be popular, even if its design and concept is brilliant.

It's not your fault. OP is a troll and you shouldn't listen to it.
Pipa Porto
#159 - 2012-06-26 08:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Itis Zhellin wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

....

As a new player I have a hard time to understand your point of view. How the fuk I suppose to move into null with 2-3M SP? I can't even explore anything under 0.6 without being raped, abused and then asked to leave because I'm bad for the game.

It's really ******** how come the null players want everybody to move into null, but they also make sure the gates there are sealed. So they can continue blaming and reasoning ganking the high sec, while they can keep all the resources only for them. No wonder that this game never was and will never be popular, even if its design and concept is brilliant.


Meet people. Make friends. You'd be shocked how fast peoples contacts lead to Null. I moved to null using contacts in my second Corp, which was a HS mining Corp.

Trying to move before you have people there to work with is very hard.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-06-26 08:27:33 UTC
you cant even put a bounty on them because 1) you cant afford even to spare 1 million, 2) they will just cash it in for themselves on an alt anyway.

i think every time i have been ganked it was two people, all with more SP, probably the same person playing 2 accounts to gank 1 newbie. 2 out of 3 times i was unarmed, unable to fight back.

i dont know why i didnt realise this during my trial period. i wish i had noticed sooner.

maybe they should just allow griefing in the starter systems so people know what they are in for.