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When does all the ganking make mining worth it?

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#1 - 2012-05-31 22:58:21 UTC
The bad: mining sucks. It's boring as hell, it doesn't pay much (yet), and is generally the fastest way to get bored and quit EVE unless you're a bot.

The good: endless ganking of mining barges and carebears who are too stupid to figure out how to avoid being ganked and/or too lazy to make even the most basic attempts to protect themselves. When these worthless parasites on the game finally ragequit, mineral prices will increase and mining will become a much more profitable activity.

So, the question: when will enough carebears ragequit to get the ISK/hour for mining to a point that the profit justifies the endless misery of mining? At what point will even the most dedicated griefers and pirates find themselves training Mining Barge V?
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#2 - 2012-05-31 23:03:15 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
The bad: mining sucks. It's boring as hell, it doesn't pay much (yet), and is generally the fastest way to get bored and quit EVE unless you're a bot.

The good: endless ganking of mining barges and carebears who are too stupid to figure out how to avoid being ganked and/or too lazy to make even the most basic attempts to protect themselves. When these worthless parasites on the game finally ragequit, mineral prices will increase and mining will become a much more profitable activity.

So, the question: when will enough carebears ragequit to get the ISK/hour for mining to a point that the profit justifies the endless misery of mining? At what point will even the most dedicated griefers and pirates find themselves training Mining Barge V?


im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-31 23:05:33 UTC
Ofc its worth it. T2 salage is worth a fortune when you get the right drops
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2012-05-31 23:08:16 UTC
Tenchi, You mad bro?


Where did the goonies touch you?

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#5 - 2012-05-31 23:08:30 UTC
Pelease stop all reay wit hthesethreads...toomany beeers can kill yae....ArrowBig smile
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#6 - 2012-05-31 23:09:43 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

Highsec is supposed to be the tutorial area, with the least risk but also the lowest rewards. There should be absolutely zero profit for veteran players in highsec. If you have the skills to fly a Hulk, you should be forced to move to lowsec or 0.0 to get any money. You should NOT be given a nice gank-free AFK income source like highsec miners demand.

Hulkageddon should be impossible for the simple reason that there are no Hulks in highsec, and therefore nothing to suicide gank besides a handful of tutorial players mining in their frigates.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#7 - 2012-05-31 23:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Merin Ryskin wrote:
When these worthless parasites on the game finally ragequit,


They quit more so because of that attitude than being blown up.

Merin Ryskin wrote:

You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.
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True, once they are gone, no one will need that tech for t2 miners. Then any monopoly on it would be rendered useless because who fields t2 in fleets anyway.... right?
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#8 - 2012-05-31 23:10:20 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Tenchi, You mad bro?


Where did the goonies touch you?


They touched me on my no no spot and my wife got mad. Told her don't worry, I'm still pure and saving myself for her.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#9 - 2012-05-31 23:11:46 UTC
Anyway, the point of the thread is not to complain about goons, it's a serious question about when the profit of mining will rise to a level that even people who currently hate mining will be tempted to train mining barge skills and get in on the easy money.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#10 - 2012-05-31 23:25:41 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.

The question isn't how the level of hatred toward the highsec miners compares to other levels of hatred in other MMOs. The question is whether the hatred toward highsec miners is justified or not. Given the history of what the highsec miners have done and are currently trying to do, obviously the hatred is justified.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#11 - 2012-05-31 23:41:23 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
They quit more so because of that attitude than being blown up.


Who cares why they quit, the important thing is that they quit, and do it ASAP.

Quote:
True, once they are gone, no one will need that tech for t2 miners. Then any monopoly on it would be rendered useless because who fields t2 in fleets anyway.... right?


Err, lol? You really don't see a purpose for T2 stuff once highsec carebears are gone?
Cyprus Amaro
Tortuga Coalition 102
#12 - 2012-05-31 23:48:19 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
The good: endless ganking of mining barges and carebears who are too stupid to figure out how to avoid being ganked and/or too lazy to make even the most basic attempts to protect themselves. When these worthless parasites on the game finally ragequit, mineral prices will increase and mining will become a much more profitable activity.


Would you explain the logic train that led you to this conclusion? How are hi-sec miners "worthless parasites" to EVE? I'm relatively new, but I thought that mining has always been an integral part of EVE since its inception.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#13 - 2012-05-31 23:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Cyprus Amaro wrote:

Would you explain the logic train that led you to this conclusion? How are hi-sec miners "worthless parasites" to EVE? I'm relatively new, but I thought that mining has always been an integral part of EVE since its inception.


They have no one left to hate. And with no mega wars, miners are quick effort to profit ratio as no one else looses t2 in mass.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#14 - 2012-05-31 23:51:47 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Tenchi, You mad bro?

Where did the goonies touch you?

Heh, I;d like to know myself.

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Cynthia Eldo
Yoyodyne Technologies
#15 - 2012-05-31 23:54:46 UTC
So it has now become a waiting game, to see who quits first? The Gankers or the Miners? Damn this just reeks of a Shakespeare ending...

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#16 - 2012-05-31 23:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
Cyprus Amaro wrote:
Would you explain the logic train that led you to this conclusion? How are hi-sec miners "worthless parasites" to EVE? I'm relatively new, but I thought that mining has always been an integral part of EVE since its inception.


Highsec miners (and other highsec carebears) are worthless parasites because they wreck the risk/reward balance by making veteran-level income in what is supposed to be the tutorial area, and then whining and crying and demanding nerfs every time someone threatens their ability to carebear AFK with 100% safety.

Miners in general are a useful part of EVE, but they are supposed to be mining in lowsec/0.0. Unfortunately the easy money of highsec, combined with mining bots, drives mineral prices down and kills the appeal of mining outside highsec for the few people who might otherwise make good money there.

End result: lazy and stupid people get rich at the expense of the overall health of the game. I think that's a pretty good definition of "worthless parasite".
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-31 23:57:39 UTC
Tenchi Sal wrote:

im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


Dread days in Ultima Online.

Goons in Eve Online.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#18 - 2012-06-01 00:01:40 UTC
Cyprus Amaro wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
The good: endless ganking of mining barges and carebears who are too stupid to figure out how to avoid being ganked and/or too lazy to make even the most basic attempts to protect themselves. When these worthless parasites on the game finally ragequit, mineral prices will increase and mining will become a much more profitable activity.


Would you explain the logic train that led you to this conclusion? How are hi-sec miners "worthless parasites" to EVE? I'm relatively new, but I thought that mining has always been an integral part of EVE since its inception.


Cyprus, there's a group of self appointed elite hard cores who spit on everything and everybody not suiting their high standards.
Like a pyramidal organization they are trying to spread their bile on the whole playerbase in order to create hatred against the category of players with the lowest income, the worst gameplay mechanics, the most outdated and bad implementation of any game ever created.

Their true guilt is to not to have yet burned CCP's headquarters for how bad they made their profession, that leads to absolute AFK and lack of interest, which gets them ganked and derided.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#19 - 2012-06-01 00:03:33 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Highsec miners (and other highsec carebears) are worthless parasites because they wreck the risk/reward balance by making veteran-level income in what is supposed to be the tutorial area, and then whining and crying and demanding nerfs every time someone threatens their ability to carebear AFK with 100% safety.


You should look in a mirror. All you are doing is crying about other players while all the role you play in this game is to create lag with your skill-less blobs.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#20 - 2012-06-01 00:09:06 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
im pretty sure most miners are quitting not over pvp but how ****** the community of EVE is becomming. look at all the rage/hate towards them, they are blamed for every last thing thats bad in EVE online. i been playing mmos since 1999, dont ever remember seeing a group of players so blatantly "hated on" more then EVE miners.


You know why they're blamed? Because highsec miners, just like other highsec carebears, are bad for the game.

Highsec is supposed to be the tutorial area, with the least risk but also the lowest rewards. There should be absolutely zero profit for veteran players in highsec. If you have the skills to fly a Hulk, you should be forced to move to lowsec or 0.0 to get any money. You should NOT be given a nice gank-free AFK income source like highsec miners demand.

Hulkageddon should be impossible for the simple reason that there are no Hulks in highsec, and therefore nothing to suicide gank besides a handful of tutorial players mining in their frigates.


That's about the biggest load of BS I've read all night. All I read was a bunch of "play the sandbox my way or you are wrong"
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