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EVE IN DECLINE -- GRAPHS

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Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-06-01 12:55:13 UTC
Oh god, I will NEVER understand how can someone use finals time at universities use as a reason for activity drop. Me and all folks I know have much more time to play when the finals are on because noone is expecting you to do much more in addition to studying so one has time to play after he is done learning.

Grahps: I see a clear decline. How is it asociated with HAG and bots I don't know, the only thing I notice is more EvE seasoned pilots angry. But that may just pretty much be a coincidence. It would make some sence, though. Suicide ganking happens in high sec. Highsec isn't a sandbox, there are rules, and if the rules favor the griefers too much, folks will leave. I will leave the quantification of this for someone with access to numbers.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#82 - 2012-06-01 12:58:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
[Sitting looking at those graphs, I see a similar slump to the one we have now happening every year, like clockwork and to almost the same degree irrespective of bad expansions to the game.
In other words, you're not looking at the summer slump that people tried to blame the post-Incarna population deflation on.

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As for me arguing why the slump doesn't happen, I've been pretty clear on what I am arguing. That "Summer" is a flexible term these days, and that a slump does indeed occur on a regular basis at the same time every year.
Yes, but that's not “the summer slump” that people are referring to for the simple reason that it doesn't happen during the summer season, but rather during late spring.

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For example, in large parts of Europe and in the UK most people who fit the EVE demographic take their summer holidays, as defined in their employment contracts, during the last week of May in to the first week or two of June. To them and to their employers, this is part of "Summer".
You're going to need to source that, because it rather sounds like you're generalising from yourself. By the same token, around these parts (Europe and Scandinavia) the people who fit the EVE demographic take their summer vacation from midsummer onwards, with some waiting as long as August. This also coincides with those with children, who take their vacation when school ends (June) or when the “industry vacation“ starts (early July).

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The end result is that the "Sky is falling crowd" are using flawed information and out of date concepts to back up their "EVE IS DYING OHMERGERD" attitude.
…such as blaming the post-incarna dip on the summer slump, even though said slump is a myth since numbers have historically gone up during that particular period.



Hmm wait a minute, I have an odd feeling that, at least in part, we may be arguing the same point. I have never, nor would ever blame the Incarna debacle on a summer slump. That was entirely and completely down to CCP screwing up. Im gonna go back and re-read this entire thread from beginning to end, just to make sure I have not made a ****-up somewhere. Give me a few minutes.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2012-06-01 13:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Hmm wait a minute, I have an odd feeling that, at least in part, we may be arguing the same point. I have never, nor would ever blame the Incarna debacle on a summer slump. That was entirely and completely down to CCP screwing up. Im gonna go back and re-read this entire thread from beginning to end, just to make sure I have not made a ****-up somewhere. Give me a few minutes.
We may very well be (aside from the whole vacation = less play bit, but that's just me projecting my free-time preferences).

All I'm saying is that the whole idea that populations go down during the actual summer months — June through August — is something of a myth, and that it became a popular (if incorrect) scapegoat during the months following the Incarna release. People didn't leave the game because it was the middle of the summer; they left because the expansion was a blunder; the supposed “summer slump” during the same period had historically actually been a summer bump, and the real slumps were in the late spring and early autumn.

Exactly why this is the case is a completely different matter, and I don't think anyone has any good answers to that one. I say it's because people have more free time during the summer and are wrapped up with finishing things up before the vacation during late spring (possibly combined with EVE going a bit stale since it was a while since the winter expansion at that point).
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-06-01 13:03:48 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
If you hover over the graphs then you get the dates in a pop-up. It reads from right to left and indicate that EVE is trending UPWARD. Big smile


Sorry Explorer, but from last year January it's actually a decline in numbers. Nevermind though, we didn't want those botters anyway. Cool

I'd like to rephrase that (although nobody really objected). Until Crucible, the numbers have been declining. Since then we had the old upwards trend again. Thank you once more for the new direction!

Now there seems to be a decline currently, which may be related to the war on bots. We'll see how it turns out...

EVE is dying!
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#85 - 2012-06-01 13:09:26 UTC
Ok, I think I see my mistake here. I should not have used the term "summer Slump" I guess. What I should probably have said was "Annual Slump", which is more technically accurate and less open to abuse by the sky is falling crowd. I still defend my position that summer isn't the same for everyone, but I do admit that using that particular word was not the best idea.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#86 - 2012-06-01 13:26:34 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:

The graph does make clear there is a drop in activity. Anyone who claims there is an increase is a boldfaced liar.
Anyone who claims that "the summer" is the reason is simply putting forward an opinion. The graph proves there is a decline in player activity, not why.

In short, if you want to join a discussion with intelligent people in the future, first acknowledge the facts, before you try and put your spin on them.



Indeed the numbers are plummetting. There were weekdays in early April with over 53,000 logged in a t Peak Time and now they are lucky if it hits 40,000.

As far as intelligent people on these Forums....extremely few and far between.

After over 2 years of monitoring, these are just a 'sounding board' for the hurt feelings of just about every hardcore Geek who ever was hated and bullied throughout their lives, and now have an only slightly moderated venue in which to spew forth all that buildup from a lifetime of lonely anger.

Just yet another reason to leave this nonsense.

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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#87 - 2012-06-01 13:28:18 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Biggest boost was when Incursions got released. Biggest drop was when Incarna was released.


Fixed.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-01 13:29:58 UTC
speaking of EVE graphs... whats up with Serenity?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

has it gone offline?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#89 - 2012-06-01 13:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Darth Tickles wrote:


Ah, I see. Seems a little premature at this point, though I wouldn't be surprised if we do see a downturn between UI, summer, diablo 3 and bots.



I dunno. If the Diablo III players are to be believed (and I include Tweets from will Wheaton in this) it's still next to nigh impossible to login to Diablo, and if so, to actually STAY logged in. That connectivity requirement is kicking them around but good.

In checking the Forums for Simcity 5, coming next summer, they users are already rattling the bars about it's connectivity requirement. yes, you most be connected at least initiallly, to even activate the previously ultimate stand alone Simcity.

The entire gaming industry needs to sit back and observe their situation. Their unwavering fear of even one pirated copy of anything at all is literally making the industry eat it's own tail.

IT's in huge trouble. If Star Wars:TOR can't get crowds, nothing will. One almost thinks the entire industry needs to re-boot and Start Again.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#90 - 2012-06-01 13:32:09 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
speaking of EVE graphs... whats up with Serenity?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

has it gone offline?



Apparently the company that ran the servers went bust, taking Serenity with it.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-06-01 13:34:26 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
speaking of EVE graphs... whats up with Serenity?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

has it gone offline?



Apparently the company that ran the servers went bust, taking Serenity with it.


So no more EVE for the chinese?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#92 - 2012-06-01 13:35:18 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
speaking of EVE graphs... whats up with Serenity?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

has it gone offline?



Apparently the company that ran the servers went bust, taking Serenity with it.


So no more EVE for the chinese?


It would seem not, no.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#93 - 2012-06-01 13:36:30 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Skippermonkey wrote:
speaking of EVE graphs... whats up with Serenity?

http://eve-offline.net/?server=serenity

has it gone offline?



Apparently the company that ran the servers went bust, taking Serenity with it.


So no more EVE for the chinese?


C'mon. Does that REALLY deserve a posted question ?? That's like asking if fire is hot.

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Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-06-01 13:40:04 UTC
Yay, another "the end is near" thread.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#95 - 2012-06-01 13:40:27 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:


I like it when people basically selectively quote blog posts without even quoting anything.



Just.......ah never mind. You aren't worth the insult.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#96 - 2012-06-01 13:44:06 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:


I like it when people basically selectively quote blog posts without even quoting anything.



Just.......ah never mind. You aren't worth the insult.



Well apparently they are, since you seem to keep on posting. I thought you were quitting? You must be really mad about something to keep posting on the forums of a game you seem to hate, run by a company you seem to despise and talking to people you seem to deem somehow less intelligent than you.

Doesn't say much for your IQ.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#97 - 2012-06-01 13:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Actually, age is fairly irrelevant. Adults working full time typically use summer months for vacation time and traveling.

Daily activity charts don't really tell us much, what tells the tale is the number of subscriptions.

Those are the numbers I would like to see.


Current amount of subscriptions means nothing compared to the active numbers, especially when players are just waiting for the subscription time to run out on the accounts.




(tick tick tick tick 3 weeks to go on 2 accounts. 2 dead already)

Just an FYI when looking at the Graphs: the EVE server graph on the Community page is actual number of players logged in. The graphs at Eve-Offline are the DAILY AVERAGE. Example: population yesterday peaked at just under 41,000, but the average daily was 32,100.

Right now, that Daily Average is as low as it was after Incarna ! And not even as high as during Dominion, for sakes. Obvious decline is obvious.

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Zakuak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-06-01 13:50:18 UTC
Yay backwards graph threads still ALIVE!!

\o/ disco dance
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#99 - 2012-06-01 13:52:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Summer is irrelevant?
It's not irrelevant. It just happens to have the opposite effect of what many people assume.

Historically, the PCUs and average player online numbers in EVE have gone up during summers, presumably because people have vacations and have more time to play (and because they don't have to get up in the morning to go to work, so they can stay up longer in the evening).



Interestingly, Americans (largest block of EVE players) take the shortest, fewest vaction times in the world. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-d-chalmers/americas-vacation-deficit-disorder_b_1534304.html

Besides, before retiring, I always considered short holidays, like Memorial day last weekend, as the time to get in even MORE game playing, and that obviously did not happen this particular weekend on EVE.

Just observing it all.

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Cutout Man
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-06-01 14:47:22 UTC
Mina Hiragi wrote:
Cutout Man wrote:
facts


Cutout Man wrote:
the average age


Cutout Man wrote:
facts


So you're saying the majority of EVE's playerbase is in high school, with the average skewed by a decent number of octogenarian players?

You can take up the specifics with CCP. It's their statistic.