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Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-31 21:25:49 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Who's more self entitled: the one crying because the game does not suit his taste or the one defining what everybody should like or not like to do?

I find it pretty rich of you to call CCP "self entitled", considering that at the end of the day it's their game and they've stated from the beginning that EVE is about PvP and there should not be entirely safe havens in the game.

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#42 - 2012-05-31 21:29:35 UTC
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Who's more self entitled: the one crying because the game does not suit his taste or the one defining what everybody should like or not like to do?

I find it pretty rich of you to call CCP "self entitled", considering that at the end of the day it's their game and they've stated from the beginning that EVE is about PvP and there should not be entirely safe havens in the game.


BUT your null sec space is a safe haven, maybee CCP should stop alliances having NAP fests to solve the problem you posted as a question.

..
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#43 - 2012-05-31 21:32:06 UTC
Herocles wrote:
I've been around long enough to withness the rise and fall of many alliances and corporations under my time in EvE.
I've seen stuff few will remember they saw long time ago, i've done almost everything you can do in this game and under all these years it still amaze me to the point thinking that what will come next from CCP.
I think CCP have done an amazing work with this game, and i think many can aggree on that.

It have been ups and downs on several things in EvE under my time since 2004, awesome things like new ships, planetary interactions, POS's and many many more things.
Some things here and there have changed, most to the better but also to the worse.

And one worse thing is for miners as myself it have become almost impossible to play this game, due to some well knowned reason we all know right now...

"Goons going to keep paying out isk to players who kill mining ships.... even if Hulkageddon is over."

Not hard to understand who "rule" this game... but i know this is a sandbox game, if someone do something it can effect others, simple as that... live with it, adapt and move on ...

For any reason this game have become more of a station game / skill queue game for miners... in my case anyway.
Cause if i leave station and start mining i could lose my ship knowing that the offender who killed my ship got payed isk to do it... and in my point of view that is the end of highsec mining for me... to know the effort of bringing yet another Hulk into a asteroid belt and be blowned up again is waste of time for me.
I know i can do other stuff then just mining but it was mining asteroid belts which got me hooked all those years ago... and still is.

...and with all these years behind me... and all these memories... and all friends i've ever come across... i can only say...

... FAREWELL TO ALL FELLOW MINING PAYERS IN EVE... AND CCP... FOREVER.


Cya matey, Keep the toon though, things may change and you can return. don't give **** to nobody.



Tal
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#44 - 2012-05-31 21:33:04 UTC
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Who's more self entitled: the one crying because the game does not suit his taste or the one defining what everybody should like or not like to do?

I find it pretty rich of you to call CCP "self entitled", considering that at the end of the day it's their game and they've stated from the beginning that EVE is about PvP and there should not be entirely safe havens in the game.


Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

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Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-05-31 21:35:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

You didn't directly, but you're obviously disagreeing with the notion that non-consensual PvP should occur in Highsec, which is totally contrary to the repeatedly stated position held by CCP.

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Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-31 21:36:50 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
BUT your null sec space is a safe haven, maybee CCP should stop alliances having NAP fests to solve the problem you posted as a question.

I'm sure you'll find that all of the security in nullsec is player-made and not the result of game changes or NPCs.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#47 - 2012-05-31 21:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

You didn't directly, but you're obviously disagreeing with the notion that non-consensual PvP should occur in Highsec, which is totally contrary to the repeatedly stated position held by CCP.



There's nothing wrong with pvp in hi sec, but when it got turned into an industry to keep little greifers happy and Mittanis/Goons pockets full, then the balance got tipped.

After the miners are gone who next, mission runners when they have left the game, who are the tough guys going to pick on next ?? Like I said before, an Eve with nothing left but griefers running around in catalysts looking for easy targets isn't an Eve I want to see.

And for all the self righteous talk I hear about the bullshit sandbox, what sandbox, CCP have changed the mechanics before due to a lack of balance in hi sec i.e Concorde became invulnerable, that's one of many changes.

We dont want to ruin the game we want to ruin your game.. way to go heroes.

Tal


By the way where not related are we ? your wearing the same dress you bastard.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#48 - 2012-05-31 21:47:32 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Who's more self entitled: the one crying because the game does not suit his taste or the one defining what everybody should like or not like to do?

I find it pretty rich of you to call CCP "self entitled", considering that at the end of the day it's their game and they've stated from the beginning that EVE is about PvP and there should not be entirely safe havens in the game.


BUT your null sec space is a safe haven, maybee CCP should stop alliances having NAP fests to solve the problem you posted as a question.


Don't nerf our ability to have friends just because nobody loves you.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-05-31 21:48:09 UTC
Why do all the crybabies blame Goons for them quitting?

CCP are in the process of trying to improve the game in multiple ways, including mining, and your gonna let some nerds bully you out of the game?


The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#50 - 2012-05-31 21:48:54 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

You didn't directly, but you're obviously disagreeing with the notion that non-consensual PvP should occur in Highsec, which is totally contrary to the repeatedly stated position held by CCP.



There's nothing wrong with pvp in hi sec, but when it got turned into an industry to keep little greifers happy and Mittanis/Goons pockets full, then the balance got tipped.

After the miners are gone who next, mission runners when they have left the game, who are the tough guys going to pick on next ?? Like I said before, an Eve with nothing left but griefers running around in catalysts looking for easy targets isn't an Eve I want to see.

And for all the self righteous talk I hear about the bullshit sandbox, what sandbox, CCP have changed the mechanics before due to a lack of balance in hi sec i.e Concorde became invulnerable, that's one of many changes.

We dont want to ruin the game we want to ruin your game.. way to go heroes.

Tal


By the way where not related are we ? your wearing the same dress you bastard.


Uh, broski, it never got *turned* into anything. At least, not by CCP. The players may have done that, but it's no different than players making a market hub out of Jita.

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#51 - 2012-05-31 21:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

You didn't directly, but you're obviously disagreeing with the notion that non-consensual PvP should occur in Highsec, which is totally contrary to the repeatedly stated position held by CCP.



There's nothing wrong with pvp in hi sec, but when it got turned into an industry to keep little greifers happy and Mittanis/Goons pockets full, then the balance got tipped.

After the miners are gone who next, mission runners when they have left the game, who are the tough guys going to pick on next ?? Like I said before, an Eve with nothing left but griefers running around in catalysts looking for easy targets isn't an Eve I want to see.

And for all the self righteous talk I hear about the bullshit sandbox, what sandbox, CCP have changed the mechanics before due to a lack of balance in hi sec i.e Concorde became invulnerable, that's one of many changes.

We dont want to ruin the game we want to ruin your game.. way to go heroes.

Tal


By the way where not related are we ? your wearing the same dress you bastard.


Uh, broski, it never got *turned* into anything. At least, not by CCP. The players may have done that, but it's no different than players making a market hub out of Jita.



er no ganking hulks turned into an industry when it started being bank rolled, I never mentioned CCP in that context, and its a **** load different from playing the market,

don't think you understood.

Tal
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#52 - 2012-05-31 21:55:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pro-tip, I never referenced to CCP.

You didn't directly, but you're obviously disagreeing with the notion that non-consensual PvP should occur in Highsec, which is totally contrary to the repeatedly stated position held by CCP.


No, start reading better. I am all for unconsensual hi sec PvP, including opting in a truly played (merc / friend) ally corp for better self defense while contextually removing self concord protection.

I am all for equal and fair opportunity for both counterparts to actively rip each other a new one.

Notice the detail: each other as in *peers*

Not as in "predator vs designated, hard coded prey". Hard coded because all they can do is study a way to hide / flee / cower / survive, while - if gutsy enough - they should be able to immediately retaliate.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-05-31 21:59:12 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
farewell to bad, afk, hisec, hulk miners

not quite the same thing as just "miners"




instead we get numbskull forum posters like this one above to replace them... I'd rather have the high sec miners.

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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#54 - 2012-05-31 22:30:04 UTC
Andoria Thara wrote:
I never understood the reasoning behind the "farewell" post, if a game isn't fun, just quit playing it. Say bye to your friends via email or something.
You're like the guy who doesn't understand why the monk immolated himself.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-05-31 22:35:58 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
leaving something you love because you can't adapt. so very sad.


The only thing sadder is sticking with something you don't love.


...or something that has changed into something you no longer can love.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2012-05-31 22:39:17 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
farewell to bad, afk, hisec, hulk miners

not quite the same thing as just "miners"

instead we get numbskull forum posters like this one above to replace them... I'd rather have the high sec miners.

Were some of them good posters, or ..?

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#57 - 2012-05-31 22:44:42 UTC
Malphilos wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Herocles wrote:
I've seen stuff few will remember they saw long time ago, i've done almost everything you can do in this game....

I find that unlikely, if you ended up becoming a highsec miner. What?


Your tastes do not necessarily apply to others.

That realization is a developmental stage I'm sure you'll stumble across eventually.

That's only true up to a point. I have known many people to go from mining to ganking, but I have never met anyone who started off as a suicide ganker and ended his career as a happy highsec miner. It just doesn't happen.

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Olleybear
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2012-06-01 01:25:15 UTC
Farewell OP. Sorry to hear you are leaving after all of this time in game and I understand your frustration.

Working ones way up to mining in a Hulk is an achievement few pvper's can appreciate. Calculating numbers to bring in the best yield, figuring out which implants will give you an edge, ganging up and running links to be even more efficient, grinding standing for zero loss at refine, training for Tech 2 crystals to put in your miners, and mining new rocks for the first time are all things that kept you excited about mining. These are all accomplishments that a non-miner will never understand.

Even though there are ways to continue mining that greatly reduces your chances of getting ganked ( battleship mining ), you spent time and isk to get that Hulk and Orca and want to fly what you invested so much time into. Going back to battleship mining is a step backwards.

Hanging out with friends, talking on coms and laughing, having a nice lazy day of it, these are the hallmarks of a miner and why they play. Not wanting to deal with kneckbeard wearing mouthbreathers daily is why miners choose mining and why they choose highsec instead of 0.0 group hug stuff.

It is perfectly understandable when miners decide they have had enough and leave Eve. While I agree that hi-sec should not be 100% safe, I do believe things are a tad ridiculous as they are. This is coming from a pvp'er.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#59 - 2012-06-01 02:15:36 UTC
Chunicha wrote:
Why can't I mindlessly make isk without risking anything??? What, I have to think and adapt???? I can't just mine while afk or using my bot any more???? IM LEAVING EVE GUYS!


No no no. He wants to mindlessly make really bad isk while flying a very expensive ship, better suited for endgame mining. But you can't blame him for getting that, he only played since 2004, cut him some slack!

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#60 - 2012-06-01 02:21:18 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Andoria Thara wrote:
I never understood the reasoning behind the "farewell" post, if a game isn't fun, just quit playing it. Say bye to your friends via email or something.
You're like the guy who doesn't understand why the monk immolated himself.


I thought it was just burn out.

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