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Win/Winning the Amarr/Minmatar war
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-05-31 19:17:01 UTC
Mabata Kire wrote:
It does have value. No one is saying you can take the number and accurately predict precisely how many pilots fly in each faction. What is being said is that you can take that number as a reasonably accurate assumption that there are more minmatar pilots than amarr pilots.

And yet in the past, for 5 months out of the year Amarr has had more bodies in space than the Shakorites even with those numbers being skewed in their favour (we averaged 5 months each with 2 months equilibrium) .. so those numbers really do say nothing of value.
LooknSee
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-31 19:44:45 UTC
Mabata Kire wrote:
It does have value. No one is saying you can take the number and accurately predict precisely how many pilots fly in each faction. What is being said is that you can take that number as a reasonably accurate assumption that there are more minmatar pilots than amarr pilots.


lol. You've said it yourself but don't appear to realize it. "Value" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. If you can't figure it out, that's on you. The number is meaningless. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-31 20:48:11 UTC
So, where's the major WIN from Goonies joining the Amarr?? Weren't they supposed to invade Minnie space, take everything, and send everyone running for High?

Something's not right here... Hmmm....
Oshun Stranje
Aenos Phlegomenos
#24 - 2012-06-01 01:49:21 UTC
Goonies are joining us now? Not sure how I feel about the competition.....
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#25 - 2012-06-01 01:53:08 UTC
So, what the OP is saying is that in time the Minnie faction will become bloated, fat carebears grinding LP pointlessly, and it will be easy to hunt them down if you join Amarr.

The wheel will turn.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Alli Othman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-01 03:19:25 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
All very valid observations were it but for one little thing: It is all based on things starting on relatively equal footing.

Alas, the Shakorites abused CCPs inability to see things through and managed to acquire their ~85% dominance while systems needed sod all time spent to flip.

Had the recent changes been implemented following a reset (or last winter), NPCs been balanced and had changes made sense (ex. missions only going to hostile space), then by the time the wheel turned and Amarr once again had numbers available the Shakorites would have had at most ~5 systems not originally theirs .. said five would have been reclaimed in a jiffy and a roughly equal number taken from their "pool" .. at which point the wheel would have turned again ..

That has been the ebb and flow of the Amarr/Shakorite front since time immemorial .. a proper tug-of-war .. destroyed by CCP's appalling ignorance/stupidity/ineptitude/inebriation. What might have been :awesome: has become a big "Thumbs Up" to buggy/lazy coding/design and the people who choose to abuse it.

Not bitter, just pissed.

This whining is why fweddit doesn't really care about the other amarr. Spend less time crying and forum warrioring, and spend more time going out and having fun.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-06-01 03:25:26 UTC
Alli Othman wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
All very valid observations were it but for one little thing: It is all based on things starting on relatively equal footing.

Alas, the Shakorites abused CCPs inability to see things through and managed to acquire their ~85% dominance while systems needed sod all time spent to flip.

Had the recent changes been implemented following a reset (or last winter), NPCs been balanced and had changes made sense (ex. missions only going to hostile space), then by the time the wheel turned and Amarr once again had numbers available the Shakorites would have had at most ~5 systems not originally theirs .. said five would have been reclaimed in a jiffy and a roughly equal number taken from their "pool" .. at which point the wheel would have turned again ..

That has been the ebb and flow of the Amarr/Shakorite front since time immemorial .. a proper tug-of-war .. destroyed by CCP's appalling ignorance/stupidity/ineptitude/inebriation. What might have been :awesome: has become a big "Thumbs Up" to buggy/lazy coding/design and the people who choose to abuse it.

Not bitter, just pissed.

This whining is why fweddit doesn't really care about the other amarr. Spend less time crying and forum warrioring, and spend more time going out and having fun.


We prefer to think of ourselves not as outnumbered, but as in a target-rich environment.

After all, the more enemies there are, the more people there are to shoot.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-01 03:30:20 UTC
OP and others need to remember the following when passing their opinions and analysis

1) Alot of the Amarr militia are highly motivated at the moment and working together in a way I have not seen in a very long time

2) Some people will join us due to the higher ratio of targets rather than to farm LP

3) The Amarr FW LP store cannot balance enough to rectify some of our issues since any items available from non-FW LP is now CHEAPER than pre-patch, so they will but a ceiling on the prices. So selling a navy apoc will never be a good use of our LP until we get out of the 4X multiplier zone, REGARDLESS of what the market does.

4) When Fweddit start to get their noobs trained up better, into fleets and comms with the rest of the militia and with more SP and better fittings, we will see some number changes

5) Late Nite TZ can only do so much these days to take/regain sov, giving us a chance outside of that TZ to inflict damage...
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2012-06-01 04:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Veshta Yoshida
Alli Othman wrote:
This whining is why fweddit doesn't really care about the other amarr. Spend less time crying and forum warrioring, and spend more time going out and having fun.

I spent 2+ years doing the uphill boogie against broken balance and bugs too numerous to count .. had honestly expected a balance pass before the carrots/sticks were thrown in.

If CCP doesn't get their act together and do some actual work on FW then you'll be sitting right here next to me on the whine train in a few months time .. I'll hire a hobo to keep the seat warm for you as I no longer believe CCP will ever get around to it .. Lol
Har Harrison wrote:
....

But will it still be fun/challenging when numbers get a zero on the end? The beauty of the "old wheel" was that numbers never grew to blob-size (in the plexing world) as it turned. Fighting in <15-20 man gangs offers a lot more on a personal level than the FC bouts which comes down which puppet master selects the right target at the right time.

Either way, from what I understand, fights have re-adopted frigs/dessies and cruisers as the main hulls which is a good thing as those will give newcomers a much sturdier 'education' in the world of pew .. and probably more fun in the process.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#30 - 2012-06-01 08:26:31 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:


After all, the more enemies there are, the more people there are to shoot.
Not much to shoot if they're LP farmers like a good number of the Caldari plexers who warp out at even a sniff of trouble. (Although I'm sure all sides have them. It just seems to happen a lot now with the Caldari I encounter and when they can speed tank a major in a condor, I guess you can't really blame them for taking advantage.) I even had a wt Tengu warp out of a major when my Thrasher arrived because it "was pve fit". At least he was killing the rats...

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Grimfang Wyrmspawn
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-01 08:56:35 UTC
Seems to be a lot of Minnie Dramiel speed wankers..... sorry, tankers about. I've seen them flee when an Executioner enters their plex....
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#32 - 2012-06-01 09:08:15 UTC
Alli Othman wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
All very valid observations were it but for one little thing: It is all based on things starting on relatively equal footing.

Alas, the Shakorites abused CCPs inability to see things through and managed to acquire their ~85% dominance while systems needed sod all time spent to flip.

Had the recent changes been implemented following a reset (or last winter), NPCs been balanced and had changes made sense (ex. missions only going to hostile space), then by the time the wheel turned and Amarr once again had numbers available the Shakorites would have had at most ~5 systems not originally theirs .. said five would have been reclaimed in a jiffy and a roughly equal number taken from their "pool" .. at which point the wheel would have turned again ..

That has been the ebb and flow of the Amarr/Shakorite front since time immemorial .. a proper tug-of-war .. destroyed by CCP's appalling ignorance/stupidity/ineptitude/inebriation. What might have been :awesome: has become a big "Thumbs Up" to buggy/lazy coding/design and the people who choose to abuse it.

Not bitter, just pissed.

This whining is why fweddit doesn't really care about the other amarr. Spend less time crying and forum warrioring, and spend more time going out and having fun.



He isn't in FW anymore. Things got tough, and PIE left. RP is easier than PVP
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#33 - 2012-06-01 09:17:31 UTC
From what I am seeing, the minmatar have around 20 active pilots on a regular basis (nightly/daily) We then have maybe another 20 over excited new guys joining because Minnie FW is the flavour of the month. We then have god knows how many missioners whoring away like mad.

On busy, preplanned ops that people consider important we can maybe scrape 50-60 effective people together.

These numbers are roughly similar to the Amarr. Probably the biggest 2 differences are:

FC's - We have some outstanding and hardworking guys and girls running fleets.

For whatever reason, the minmatar have always liked smaller ships and gangs and so consequently are spread out and active all over the place instead of waiting in a single system for a fleet to start.

The Amarr are in the best possible place at the moment, plentiful LP through plexing. Tons of targets, spread out all over the place, also giving LP. And loads of over confident Minmatar running into fights expecting to win, just because they are Minmatar.

Can't understand Amarr whining, you guys should be SO excited right now.

Only thing that is bad for you guys is the LP store, which everyone agrees overly penalises the losing side. But you have Minmatar alts yes? Lol
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-06-01 15:07:50 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
From what I am seeing, the minmatar have around 20 active pilots on a regular basis (nightly/daily) We then have maybe another 20 over excited new guys joining because Minnie FW is the flavour of the month. We then have god knows how many missioners whoring away like mad.

On busy, preplanned ops that people consider important we can maybe scrape 50-60 effective people together.

These numbers are roughly similar to the Amarr. Probably the biggest 2 differences are:

FC's - We have some outstanding and hardworking guys and girls running fleets.

For whatever reason, the minmatar have always liked smaller ships and gangs and so consequently are spread out and active all over the place instead of waiting in a single system for a fleet to start.

The Amarr are in the best possible place at the moment, plentiful LP through plexing. Tons of targets, spread out all over the place, also giving LP. And loads of over confident Minmatar running into fights expecting to win, just because they are Minmatar.

Can't understand Amarr whining, you guys should be SO excited right now.

Only thing that is bad for you guys is the LP store, which everyone agrees overly penalises the losing side. But you have Minmatar alts yes? Lol

Wasn't there for it, but was told you had 90 there to defned the POS in Oyo that came out of reinforced a few days back... Bit more than 50-60!!!
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#35 - 2012-06-01 16:57:21 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
From what I am seeing, the minmatar have around 20 active pilots on a regular basis (nightly/daily) We then have maybe another 20 over excited new guys joining because Minnie FW is the flavour of the month. We then have god knows how many missioners whoring away like mad.

On busy, preplanned ops that people consider important we can maybe scrape 50-60 effective people together.

These numbers are roughly similar to the Amarr. Probably the biggest 2 differences are:

FC's - We have some outstanding and hardworking guys and girls running fleets.

For whatever reason, the minmatar have always liked smaller ships and gangs and so consequently are spread out and active all over the place instead of waiting in a single system for a fleet to start.

The Amarr are in the best possible place at the moment, plentiful LP through plexing. Tons of targets, spread out all over the place, also giving LP. And loads of over confident Minmatar running into fights expecting to win, just because they are Minmatar.

Can't understand Amarr whining, you guys should be SO excited right now.

Only thing that is bad for you guys is the LP store, which everyone agrees overly penalises the losing side. But you have Minmatar alts yes? Lol

Wasn't there for it, but was told you had 90 there to defned the POS in Oyo that came out of reinforced a few days back... Bit more than 50-60!!!


Well, don't give us Timers that we can set our alarm clocks to. :P Besides, we saw that you guys had SOTF and AAA on stand-by. If Raiden. hadn't fought you guys in Kamela, it would have easily been an even fight in terms of #s, and you'd have probably killed the POS since AAA had brought Thundercats and would have slowly eaten our BS alive.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#36 - 2012-06-01 17:21:39 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:

FC's - We have some outstanding and hardworking guys and girls running fleets.


lolwut
Alonzo Odantis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-06-01 19:50:37 UTC
LooknSee wrote:
Alonzo Odantis wrote:
While a cute quote, it's 100% false.


While a cute reply, it's 100% false.

See what I did there???


Yes, you made a false statement. Everyone can see that.


If someone said "Michael Jordan, the famous basketball player, was only 4'3"" would you need a long winded explanation of why that's false?

I don't need to explain such obvious falsities to those with any measure of intellect. Those without that level of intellect won't understand the explanation anyway, so it would be a fruitless effort on my part.
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2012-06-01 19:59:21 UTC
The problem isn't the fighting, and there really isn't a problem for us who own numerous alt accounts... but for the general Amarr FW player there is a massive problem, they're getting out-funded by the opposing side to a ridiculous degree, since they're not getting anything of value from all that LP.

Put it a different way, with the current minmatar fw lp store prices we have people, who on alts, are earning ~2.5b a day running missions. Why all of you aren't doing until the market crashes I don't know...

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Qrwa2.png[/img]
Ashriban Kador
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-06-02 00:00:39 UTC
Never underestimate the bravery of a man with his back against the wall.

Lamaa is only the first...

Amarr Victor!

Your goals may align with some ... and with others, collide with the force of suns.
space chikun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-06-02 00:10:20 UTC
Ashriban Kador wrote:
Never underestimate the bravery of a man with his back against the wall.

Lamaa is only the first...

Amarr Victor!



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