EVE General Discussion

There may be, too, the 'neighboring rivalry' factor that tends to creep up after a while (real life or otherwise) in a lot of communities at competition with each other, be it through the competitive media of a sport team, social class (PvPer vs PvEer) or plain economic class divide, amongst other things.

Maybe EvE is old enough to have reached such a threshold between 'social classes'.

Kathy dear, looks like you haven't been reading these forums much.

There aren't any "PVPers" in EVE, just players and whiners.

Going to give you the best answer I can on this. There is no secret conspiracy, there is no movement to push miners out of highsec so we can somehow gain an economic advantage. All of that is just garbage posted by people upset about the situation and powerless to impact it.

Why do we do it? Why do we kill hulk pilots in empire with cheap disposable ships?

It's fun!

I can't really say it's for money, as I don't know if profit is being made. But what I can say with certainty is that Goonswarm tends to loath carebears by their own admittance. The Mittani himself has recently gone about a rant on how carebears feel "self-entitled" and how it's his job to rid Eve of this vermin; funny that coming from him.

There is no problem at all. See it as the usual forum whining here from those who are never satisfied with what they have or don't like changes. Those poeple believe they have to post the same overused arguments ten times a day in different threads, otherwise they are feared that their opinion is underrepresented in the forums and this could lead to changes from CCP which "ruins the game" for them. This counts for both sides.

I think CCP is handling the situation very balanced though neither of the sides does see it like this.

This has been going on since Feb 2008 that I know of (when I started the game).

New guys (without a lot of experience or assets) visit the forums and see all the threads and the answers people are given... and take offense.

Doesn't matter - it'll stay the same

Those are all fair questions. The call to arms that I believe your are referring to is here.

If you want to mine Scordite in high sec feel free and encouraged to do so. It's your game. It's a sandbox. Play it the way you want. But PVP in this game is not optional.

If you want to run missions in a pimp fit CNR by all means there are many, many agents in high sec to give you those missions. It's your game. It's a sandbox. Play it the way you want. But PVP in this game is not optional.

As far as why to encourage them to move to lower sec space. Two reasons:

1. Because PVP and only PVP drives the market. PVP means that players are losing ships. Players have to buy new ships. If no one is buying ships then no one needs to build ships. Furthermore, if no one is building ships no one is buying minerals. No demand for minerals - no demand for miners.

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.

The "hate" as you describe it is not directed at carebears -it is directed at the thundering mantra of "I should be 100% in a PVP Internet Spaceship game and CCP needs to fix this!!"

PVP is not optional in Eve. If you get blown up that is the game working as intended. Don't come here and complain because you pay for a game that you don't like.

You can push it back even further.

There have always been people who need to feel special and scream that someone else is a threat to their specialness.

It's the projection that cracks me up.

Thats a very thin line between normal gameplay and outright griefing , keep up with those comments and you find alot of your people and fans on the wrongside of the banhammer
Goons Delenda Est

/props